[AusNOG] Confirmation of govt blackholing. Was: Re: Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Christopher Pollock]

That's the thing though - it does actually need to be enforced by the legal
system.  Don't just do something because you got a letter or a phone call
from something that sounds vaguely official from some government
department.  Get legal advice.  Stay informed.  The legal system works on
the fact that people are deprived on information; don't be one of them.

"Come back when you have a court order."

It is, and always has been, the correct response.  Don't do anything just
because *someone* says you have to.  And if you are in a position where
your employers tell you to do something that you reasonably believe you
aren't legally obligated to do, you need to object.  They hire you for your
skills, expertise and wisdom; implore them to listen to those things.

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On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Heinz N <ausnog at equisoft.com.au> wrote:

>
>  We need to pull our heads out of our asses and start asserting our rights,
>> otherwise we may well end up with red underpants on our heads.  It is we,
>> the members of this list, that control the Internet in this country.  Not
>> Conroy, not ASIC; us.  We hold the figurative keys to almost every major
>> network in Australia, and at least one International path.  There is no
>> 'internet kill switch' until we bend over and build one, no blocking until
>> we implement it.  We have incredible power, both individually and
>> collectively. We are the gatekeepers; I suggest that we start acting
>> accordingly.
>>
> [snip]
>
> While most people on this list would understand *exactly* what is going on
> (and are outraged by it and agree with the comments), we live in a real
> world with laws. There are people who don't even know how to use email! (I
> have some as clients) It is people like them that get elected to make brain
> dead decisions and turn them into laws that people with guns enforce. These
> same people don't know what a DNS or IP address is. They just got some fat
> old overpaid consultant to produce some large unintelligable report that
> they then immediately misinterpreted and now think they understand this new
> fangled internet thingy.
>
> To say that one would expect any worker to in the industry to stand up to
> the AFP (or other govt dept) when they are enforcing some brain dead law is
> not reasonable. The only thing you can do (as I try to do) is educate your
> clients (and bosses) about privacy, freedom and the real need for plausible
> deniability built into all their procedures. Corporates do understand
> C.Y.A. Also, access to good legal advice is essential.
>
> I am sure that if John Linton (co-founder) of Exetel were still alive, he
> would not have just rolled over to ridiculous requests and would have told
> them where to go (like apparently TPG did). Like it or not, it is the guys
> in the top floor offices that we all have to try to educate. It is THEM
> that have to push back because they understand the gradual erosion that is
> happening by stealth and have the power to act. The average worker doesn't.
>
> Regards,
> Heinz N.
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