<div dir="ltr">That's the thing though - it does actually need to be enforced by the legal system. Don't just do something because you got a letter or a phone call from something that sounds vaguely official from some government department. Get legal advice. Stay informed. The legal system works on the fact that people are deprived on information; don't be one of them.<div>
<br></div><div>"Come back when you have a court order."</div><div><br></div><div>It is, and always has been, the correct response. Don't do anything just because <i>someone</i> says you have to. And if you are in a position where your employers tell you to do something that you reasonably believe you aren't legally obligated to do, you need to object. They hire you for your skills, expertise and wisdom; implore them to listen to those things.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Heinz N <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ausnog@equisoft.com.au" target="_blank">ausnog@equisoft.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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We need to pull our heads out of our asses and start asserting our rights,<br>
otherwise we may well end up with red underpants on our heads. It is we,<br>
the members of this list, that control the Internet in this country. Not<br>
Conroy, not ASIC; us. We hold the figurative keys to almost every major<br>
network in Australia, and at least one International path. There is no<br>
'internet kill switch' until we bend over and build one, no blocking until<br>
we implement it. We have incredible power, both individually and<br>
collectively. We are the gatekeepers; I suggest that we start acting<br>
accordingly.<br>
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While most people on this list would understand *exactly* what is going on (and are outraged by it and agree with the comments), we live in a real world with laws. There are people who don't even know how to use email! (I have some as clients) It is people like them that get elected to make brain dead decisions and turn them into laws that people with guns enforce. These same people don't know what a DNS or IP address is. They just got some fat old overpaid consultant to produce some large unintelligable report that they then immediately misinterpreted and now think they understand this new fangled internet thingy.<br>
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To say that one would expect any worker to in the industry to stand up to the AFP (or other govt dept) when they are enforcing some brain dead law is not reasonable. The only thing you can do (as I try to do) is educate your clients (and bosses) about privacy, freedom and the real need for plausible deniability built into all their procedures. Corporates do understand C.Y.A. Also, access to good legal advice is essential.<br>
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I am sure that if John Linton (co-founder) of Exetel were still alive, he would not have just rolled over to ridiculous requests and would have told them where to go (like apparently TPG did). Like it or not, it is the guys in the top floor offices that we all have to try to educate. It is THEM that have to push back because they understand the gradual erosion that is happening by stealth and have the power to act. The average worker doesn't.<br>
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