[AusNOG] Confirmation of govt blackholing. Was: Re: Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Christopher Pollock]

"The regulation of telecommunications powers in Australia is exclusively
federal. That means I am in charge of spectrum auctions, and if I say to
everyone in this room ‘if you want to bid in our spectrum auction you’d
better wear red underpants on your head’, I’ve got some news for you.
You’ll be wearing them on your head. I have unfettered legal power."

- Stephen Conroy, 27/09/2012.

"A deep and unabiding loathing for pretty much the entire Internet
industry" is spot on.

We need to pull our heads out of our asses and start asserting our rights,
otherwise we may well end up with red underpants on our heads.  It is we,
the members of this list, that control the Internet in this country.  Not
Conroy, not ASIC; us.  We hold the figurative keys to almost every major
network in Australia, and at least one International path.  There is no
'internet kill switch' until we bend over and build one, no blocking until
we implement it.  We have incredible power, both individually and
collectively. We are the gatekeepers; I suggest that we start acting
accordingly.


--
Christopher Pollock,
io Networks Pty Ltd.
e. chris at ionetworks.com.au
p. 1300 1 2 4 8 16
d. 07 3188 7588
m. 0410 747 765
skype: christopherpollock
twitter.com/chrisionetworks
http://www.ionetworks.com.au
In-house, Outsourced.


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Chris Macko <cmacko at intervolve.com.au>wrote:

> **
> *RE Senator Conroy's response: "Hahaha. Or... What?"*
>
> Well if that's his honest overall attitude, he may find more of us
> intelligent, well informed, legal, IT 'kind' getting involved in politics.
> :-p
>
> Chris Macko
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mark Newton [mailto:newton at atdot.dotat.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 16 May 2013 8:11 AM
> *To:* Chris Macko
> *Cc:* Joshua D'Alton; Robert Hudson; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Confirmation of govt blackholing. Was: Re:
> Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>
>
>
> On 16/05/2013, at 6:04, Chris Macko <cmacko at intervolve.com.au> wrote:
>
>   I'd feel this is exactly what will you get when unsavvy-tech
> politicians start tinkering with the internet.
>
>
>  I think it's what happens when a politically unsavvy industry lets the
> government walk all over them.
>
>  This thread wouldn't exist if the handful of ISPs who have bent-over the
> deepest had maintained expectations of "reasonableness" required by section
> 313.
>
>  A section 313 notice isn't an order, it's a request for reasonable
> assistance which can be denied. If the requester doesn't like the denial,
> they get to ask the Federal Court for an order to compel. In the absence of
> such an order, a recipient of a notice who says "No, it is not reasonable
> to block thousands of law abiding websites just because you have an
> unproven allegation that someone on the internet is running a scam," is on
> stable ground.
>
>  Basically: show some backbone.
>
>  It is totally normal in Australia for regulators to pretend they have
> vast coercive powers which haven't actually been granted to them by the
> Parliament. Make them prove it. As an industry, you have to use the courts
> to find out where the limits are, otherwise there'll be no limits.
>
>  A message for Senator Conroy and others currently in office: Stay out
> and leave it to the experts (the overall IT business community and experts
> within),
>
>
>  Senator Conroy's response: "Hahaha. Or... What?"
>
>  He doesn't care. He's always harboured a deep and unabiding loathing for
> pretty much the entire Internet industry. Why should he listen?
>
>     - mark
>
>
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