[AusNOG] UK server hosting

Thu May 2 11:31:52 EST 2013

I think there was some lengthy discussion on IPv6 stuff recently on the list ? I don't know if I posted it at the time, but I found this document an interesting read, but it is more targeted at the enterprise/campus space.

http://www.ipbcop.org/ratified-bcops/bcop-ipv6-subnetting/

For my mind /64 everywhere seems to be the way to go.

regards,
Tony.

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> From: Sean K. Finn <sean.finn at ozservers.com.au>
>To: 'Tom Storey' <tom at snnap.net>; august forsakov <forsakov at gmail.com> 
>Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> 
>Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] UK server hosting
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>/31’s *ARE* weird in server world. I’m sure not in ISP world, but in server world they are damn weird. You’ve got one IP for your server, an IP for your gateway, and no broadcast or network address. 
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>Sure it wastes the two outside IP’s.
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>If there is a better way to assign a single IP to a server than by assigning a single gateway address, a single server IP address, and burning the other two IP’s, and giving the customer their own VLAN, I’d like to know what it is, and how much easier it is to setup.
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>Do we need to get clients to install a PPPoE Client on their server to get their IP from their /31?
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>My first question is, genuinely, is there a way to achieve this (using a /31 for servers) to help me conserve IP space?
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>For the record, I need to burn 5 IP’s for most customers, leaving three usable:
>The first IP for physical Router one,
>The second IP for physical Router two, 
>The third IP for the VRRP or HSRP Virtual Router floating IP, which is used as the actual gateway,
>Another two burnt for Network address, and Broadcast Address, leaving three usable IP’s from a starting pool of a /29
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>As for IPv6 , school’s still out on assigning /64’s to customers.
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>I’ve got carrier links with IPv6 and for each one, by carriers, I’m assigned a /126 (not a /127), which gives them one IPv6-ip, and me one IPv6-ip.  I don’t need a whole /64 to connect to points.
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>If I’m providing a server to a customer with, lets say, 32 IP’s for hosting, or whatever their requirement, do they really need more than a corresponding 32 IPv6 IP’s to achieve the same goal? 
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>Do I need to assign them four billion IP’s just because I can? Or FourBillion Squared?
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>My easiest solution is, if I provide a customer with a /24, then I’ll provide them with a matching /120 of address space, at least for the time being.
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>It keeps the usage simple to begin with, and also aids in indentifying single hosted compromised sites. 
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>(Do I REALLY want to figure out which of the four billion IP’s a client is using to host their compromised site on?)
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>If you want a /64, sure, why not, go nuts, do your own thing with it, but it *IS* overkill for non nerdy customers who just-want-their-bloody-hosting-to-work.
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>Any and all feedback, and any opinions that counter mine are not only welcome, but encouraged, I want to hear what other people think about IP assignements, as I can’t live in a knowledge bubble. (And I’m sure any spectators don’t want to either).
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>Sean.
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>From:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.ne t [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Tom Storey
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:20 AM
>To: august forsakov
>Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] UK server hosting
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>You will get a lot of responses from the UKnof list, competition is quite healthy it seems. I did this myself mid last year and ended up with 3-4 providers to choose from.
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>I have one criticism for Othello. They thought /31's were wierd and that they had "a better system using /30's" and couldnt understand why someone would want a /64 of IPv6 because it was "a *VERY* large block for IPv6" to quote verbatim ... Basically their sales guy gave me the wrong impression about them.
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>On the other hand I had a very good conversation with Xifos, they were most accommodating to what I was looking for, so I give them two thumbs up. They are based in Reading, so a bit west of London, but that could also be a good thing if you've ever visited here. :-)
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>On 29 April 2013 09:32, Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net> wrote:
>On 29/04/13 3:44 PM, august forsakov wrote:
>Looking for server hosting in the UK.
>Needs to be hardware only.
>We plan to install and manage several VMs to host some of our stuff over
>there.
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>You might be better off sending the query to the UKNOF list uknof at lists.uknof.org.uk
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>Mark.
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