[AusNOG] Can anybody help to share the books on CISSP

Sat Mar 23 04:15:17 EST 2013

Lure

Mather, Kumaraswamy, Latif. (2009). Cloud Security and Privacy: An
Enterprise Perspective. Sebastopol, CA: O’Reilly Media, Inc. ISBN:
978-0-596-80276-9

Calder, A. and Watkins, S. (2008). IT Governance: A Manager’s Guide to Data
Security and ISO27001/ISO27002, 4th ed. London: Kogan Page. ISBN:
978-0-7494-5271-1

Gregory, P. (2010). CISSP Guide to Security Essentials. Boston, MA: Course
Technology. ISBN 13: 978-1-435-42819-5

Tipton, Harold, and Steven Hernandez. (2009). Official (ISC)2 Guide to the
CISSP CBK, 2nd ed. Auerbach Publications. ISBN 13: 978-1439809594

On Friday, March 22, 2013, wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:39:29 +0000
> From: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>
> To: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] the new AusNOG list for selling kit
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> Personally I find posts about what should and shouldn't be in AusNOG far
> more annoying than the occasional sales/recruitment/whatever post.
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> Get over it.
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> Macca
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:04:36 +1100
> From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> To: Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
> Cc: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] the new AusNOG list for selling kit
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> Hey Paul,
>
> I believe this really does involve personal responsibility.
>
> If you look at carsales.com.au and buy a car as I recently did, and you do
> a private deal... and later on it is faulty, then basically tough luck.
>  The onus is on the buyer to make sure that everything is right to their
> satisfaction before buying it.  If there is any doubt on your end, you
> should negotiate as part of the sale, a period where there is some sort of
> return... but if they say no, and you still buy... it is on you.
>
> I agree with you about mis-representing, but that is a big call... You say
> it was someone on the list, and as I've said off-list, I don't know why
> anyone in good standing with the community would purposefully risk their
> standing buy ripping off someone else who is on the list... it just doesn't
> make sense.
>
> The kit-sales list should be treated the same as eBay, gumtree,
> graysonline, carsales.com.au, and hundreds more.  If your purchase isn't
> what you expected - then ausnog is not responsible, just as all those sites
> or private sales.
>
> Every time I have a customer who buys some second-hand Cisco equipment,
> there come an element of risk. If you buy off eBay, you deserve what you
> get - that is just a stupid situation waiting to happen.  If you buy from a
> reburb company, you find one with a good reputation that provides you
> quality kit... but even they won't give you much more than a couple of
> months for most purchases... they do their due-diligence to a certain
> degree, but if it works when they test it, and send it to you (most will
> provide a printout of the test these days), and it is DoA - then... that is
> a problem.  What happens if it was damaged in shipping and you didn't pay
> insurance? How is that the sellers fault?
>
> Whenever we do have things arrive at our office when a customer has
> purchased something from somewhere... we test it ASAP, so we can see that
> it was actually working when it arrived.  There have been situations (way
> too many in my opinion) recently where some refurb suppliers have sent dead
> kit - or kit that was even showing faults in their test... that is just
> sad... this is why when I am buying, I only deal with people I trust and
> who I know do good QA, and most importantly - IF something goes wrong, they
> will look after it.
>
> I am sorry you didn't get what you expected in this purchase... but, and it
> sucks to hear it... who is really to blame here?
>
> Personally, when I sell excess kit, I keep the money sitting in paypal till
> a week after they've received it... just in case I have to return it... but
> I also do good QA as well.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
> twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net
>
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> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au
> >wrote:
>
> > No Skeeve, Caveat Emptor is what Fathers say to their sons.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Misrepresenting stuff when trying to sell it in Australian is both
> > unlawful & un-Australian and your repeating that wrong advice does this
> > list a disservice.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > We just don?t need that kind of spirit being promulgated by senior
> members
> > such as yourself.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Given the upcoming ?kit sales list? what we need is a spirit of ?do the
> > right thing by your mates lest we tap you on the shoulder.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > The poor old AusNOG Board are going to lose their lives in sorting out
> > associated problems in the future where we encourage bad behaviour.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > ** **
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> > *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> > ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 22, 2013 5:30 PM
> > *To:* <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] the new AusNOG list for selling kit****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Paul,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Firstly - Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Secondly - If you have a problem with ausnog, you should approach them
> > directly.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > It is uncool to accuse anyone of anything unless there is context.
>  You've
> > come out and accused someone, but not by name, of something that no one
> > here knows anything about.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > AusNOG is not a place that many people who are actively involved would
> get
> > away with doing something dodgy.... lest their reputation would be
> ruined.
> > ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > If you have a legitimate issue, you should be talking to the seller, and
> > figuring out the how and why.  Do you really think it was a purposeful,
> > malicious sale from someone shonky? or an unfortunate situation?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Just remember, AusNOG is an audience and would be subject to libel action
> > depending on the facts.  Also, in some cases, truth isn't necessarily a
> > defence... that said... I probably wouldn't be naming names. AusNOG isn't
> > the place for this either way and I would take it offline - and
> preferably
> > sort out the situation with whomever you have the issue with.  ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Also, from your tone, I would guess you are pretty angry... perhaps you
> > should relax, have a beer, enjoy the weekend and ponder over things
> before
> > you take them further... mediate perhaps?****
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd****
> >
> > skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com****
> >
> > Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve****
> >
> > facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve ****
> >
> > twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > The Experts Who The Experts Call****
> >
> > Juniper - Cisco - Cloud****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
> > wrote:****
> >
> > AusNOG ?****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Please consider how you might address rouges going forward where they
> > attempt to leverage the goodwill of the list by selling dodgy. ****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > We?ve recently become a victim to a shonk from WA purporting to be a
> > meritorious member of this list but selling faulty kit. ****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > We plan to submit a formal complaint to AusNOG shortly seeking to have
> > this member removed from the list amongst other things.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Paul****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> >  ****
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> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:06:43 +1000
> From: Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
> To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> Cc: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
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> No Skeeve, it's about setting out to deceive and to unreasonably profit
> from that deceipt
>
> Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom
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>
> On 22/03/2013, at 6:05 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> I believe this really does involve personal responsibility.
>
> If you look at carsales.com.au<http://carsales.com.au> and buy a car as I
> recently did, and you do a private deal... and later on it is faulty, then
> basically tough luck.  The onus is on the buyer to make sure that
> everything is right to their satisfaction before buying it.  If there is
> any doubt on your end, you should negotiate as part of the sale, a period
> where there is some sort of return... but if they say no, and you still
> buy... it is on you.
>
> I agree with you about mis-representing, but that is a big call... You say
> it was someone on the list, and as I've said off-list, I don't know why
> anyone in good standing with the community would purposefully risk their
> standing buy ripping off someone else who is on the list... it just doesn't
> make sense.
>
> The kit-sales list should be treated the same as eBay, gumtree,
> graysonline, carsales.com.au<http://carsales.com.au>, and hundreds more.
>  If your purchase isn't what you expected - then ausnog is not responsible,
> just as all those sites or private sales.
>
> Every time I have a customer who buys some second-hand Cisco equipment,
> there come an element of risk. If you buy off eBay, you deserve what you
> get - that is just a stupid situation waiting to happen.  If you buy from a
> reburb company, you find one with a good reputation that provides you
> quality kit... but even they won't give you much more than a couple of
> months for most purchases... they do their due-diligence to a certain
> degree, but if it works when they test it, and send it to you (most will
> provide a printout of the test these days), and it is DoA - then... that is
> a problem.  What happens if it was damaged in shipping and you didn't pay
> insurance? How is that the sellers fault?
>
> Whenever we do have things arrive at our office when a customer has
> purchased something from somewhere... we test it ASAP, so we can see that
> it was actually working when it arrived.  There have been situations (way
> too many in my opinion) recently where some refurb suppliers have sent dead
> kit - or kit that was even showing faults in their test... that is just
> sad... this is why when I am buying, I only deal with people I trust and
> who I know do good QA, and most importantly - IF something goes wrong, they
> will look after it.
>
> I am sorry you didn't get what you expected in this purchase... but, and
> it sucks to hear it... who is really to blame here?
>
> Personally, when I sell excess kit, I keep the money sitting in paypal
> till a week after they've received it... just in case I have to return
> it... but I also do good QA as well.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ;
> www.eintellegonetworks.com<http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks<http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ;
> <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> linkedin.com/in/skeeve<
> http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve>
>
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