[AusNOG] More IP's for sale (/19 and /20's)

[Skeeve Stevens]

No... you can sell domain names...

I'd class it as a 'right' to use

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On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM, McDonald Richards <
McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:

> But surely to sell something implies ownership ;)
>
> Macca
>
>
> On 20/03/13 11:50 AM, "David Hughes" <david at hughes.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >Could you even class it as an asset as you never actually own the address
> >space?   Perhaps treating it as revenue is a better option.
> >
> >
> >David
> >...
> >
> >On 20/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, McDonald Richards
> ><McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Purely out of curiosity how are folks treating the capital gains tax on
> >>an
> >> asset that, in theory, cost $0?
> >>
> >> Macca
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20/03/13 11:37 AM, "Joseph Goldman" <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Previous sales I have gotten ridiculous offers such as $2-5 per IP,
> >>> which is where my second comment comes from.
> >>>
> >>> People are more than welcome to bid lower then the perceived market
> >>> rate, however there is a line of genuine offer and silly bidding. At
> >>>the
> >>> end of the day I take the best offer that has been presented to me.
> >>>
> >>> On 20/03/13 11:11 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:38 +1000, Noel Butler wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:13 +1100, Joseph Goldman wrote:
> >>>>>>   I have more IP's to sell. Please contact me off-list. /19 and
> >>>>>>/20's
> >>>>>> only. MAY be willing to split down to a /21 if you can bring a
> >>>>>>second
> >>>>>> buyer with you to take the whole /20.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Please, only serious bidders only. Please recognise current market
> >>>>>> rates are $15+ per IP.
> >>>>> whos market rate?
> >>>> The "market rate", absent lots and lots of trading where prices for
> >>>> trades can be seen and thus affect future trades, is whatever someone
> >>>> will pay for it. I don't thing there is a market in that sense just
> >>>>yet,
> >>>> but one is certainly building.
> >>>>
> >>>> What's interesting for me in the above quote (and don't get me wrong,
> >>>> Joseph, I am not having a go at you) is the tone: "I have what you
> >>>>need
> >>>> and you'll buy on my terms". The terms suggested might have been
> >>>>imposed
> >>>> on Joseph by the actual seller, or they might be "tough talk" designed
> >>>> to soften up potential buyers before they even enter negotiations. Or
> >>>> they might be an indication that previous buyers have been so
> >>>>desperate,
> >>>> the Joseph now feels he can impose such terms with impunity.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would love to know what Joseph ends up getting for the space :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thats 3 dollars per IP more than the few offers  I've had in recent
> >>>>> weeks, including since my comment on similar thread late last week
> >>>>> where
> >>>> If those are offers, and not prices paid, then it rather suggests that
> >>>> you are holding out for a higher price, which rather suggests that you
> >>>> think you might get one :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> All of the above is purest speculation from someone not involved in
> >>>>the
> >>>> IPv4 address market at all, of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards, K.
> >>>>
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