[AusNOG] More IP's for sale (/19 and /20's)

[James Spenceley]

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On 20/03/2013, at 8:54, McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:

> But surely to sell something implies ownership ;)
> 
> Macca
> 
> 
> On 20/03/13 11:50 AM, "David Hughes" <david at hughes.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Could you even class it as an asset as you never actually own the address
>> space?   Perhaps treating it as revenue is a better option.
>> 
>> 
>> David
>> ...
>> 
>> On 20/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, McDonald Richards
>> <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Purely out of curiosity how are folks treating the capital gains tax on
>>> an
>>> asset that, in theory, cost $0?
>>> 
>>> Macca
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/13 11:37 AM, "Joseph Goldman" <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Previous sales I have gotten ridiculous offers such as $2-5 per IP,
>>>> which is where my second comment comes from.
>>>> 
>>>> People are more than welcome to bid lower then the perceived market
>>>> rate, however there is a line of genuine offer and silly bidding. At
>>>> the
>>>> end of the day I take the best offer that has been presented to me.
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/03/13 11:11 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:38 +1000, Noel Butler wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:13 +1100, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>>>>>>>  I have more IP's to sell. Please contact me off-list. /19 and
>>>>>>> /20's
>>>>>>> only. MAY be willing to split down to a /21 if you can bring a
>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>> buyer with you to take the whole /20.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Please, only serious bidders only. Please recognise current market
>>>>>>> rates are $15+ per IP.
>>>>>> whos market rate?
>>>>> The "market rate", absent lots and lots of trading where prices for
>>>>> trades can be seen and thus affect future trades, is whatever someone
>>>>> will pay for it. I don't thing there is a market in that sense just
>>>>> yet,
>>>>> but one is certainly building.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's interesting for me in the above quote (and don't get me wrong,
>>>>> Joseph, I am not having a go at you) is the tone: "I have what you
>>>>> need
>>>>> and you'll buy on my terms". The terms suggested might have been
>>>>> imposed
>>>>> on Joseph by the actual seller, or they might be "tough talk" designed
>>>>> to soften up potential buyers before they even enter negotiations. Or
>>>>> they might be an indication that previous buyers have been so
>>>>> desperate,
>>>>> the Joseph now feels he can impose such terms with impunity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would love to know what Joseph ends up getting for the space :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thats 3 dollars per IP more than the few offers  I've had in recent
>>>>>> weeks, including since my comment on similar thread late last week
>>>>>> where
>>>>> If those are offers, and not prices paid, then it rather suggests that
>>>>> you are holding out for a higher price, which rather suggests that you
>>>>> think you might get one :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of the above is purest speculation from someone not involved in
>>>>> the
>>>>> IPv4 address market at all, of course.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, K.
>>>> 
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