[AusNOG] IPv6

Sun Mar 3 21:18:51 EST 2013

Michael,

With all respect, you are a typical engineer (I've heard a good one), but
you are only thinking about today and known quantities.

Think about tomorrow.  My idea wouldn't work with todays technology.  But
if you look at a future... perhaps the next version of BGP or its
replacement, and technologies where you could update your dynamic location.
 It could be used for all sorts of purposes, such as emergency+voip, and so
on.

Think how far we've come in 10 years... think what we will be doing in 5
years or 10.  I see different protocols facilitating all these issues.

First it starts with an idea... and ideal... then we need to figure out how
to make it happen.  The problem with the internet is that there are so many
different (and valid) opinions as we're all coming from different
perspectives and beliefs.....  I think it's going to be a long battle to
get the great minds of this Internet to agree on something we all will
adopt.... but it is possible.

For example... SMTP NEEDS to change... in some way to deal with all this
spam and crap... but getting people to agree just on how that should be has
been a battle going on for years... and there is no end in sight.

Think of tomorrow, dream it up, write RFC's... get the support of vendors
and amazing engnineers, the IEEE, IETF, etc.. and things will happen...
just in a long time.

...Skeeve

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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Michael Andreas Schipp <
MSchipp at a10networks.com> wrote:

>  Skeeve, I like this idea but I see a possible problem.   You will break
> GEO location unless you go down that same path as breaking the main address
> space by country first – this can lead to waste (or do it multiple time to
> get a DB of GEO based address ranges every x time to divide it). ****
>
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> Yes I know the range is HUGE for IPv6 but… thinking now save pain later.
> Maybe unlike v4 to v6 next time we to vX we will make it backwards
> compatible…. As this is the sticking point for IPv6 – there is no native
> IPv4 to IPv6 or vice versa thus we have DS Lite, 6RD, Map-E/T and many
> others. ****
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 March 2013 7:23 PM
> *To:* Paul Wallace
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv4****
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> I don't agree.  DNS serves a different function entirely.
> ****
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> ...Skeeve****
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
> wrote:****
>
>  That's what DNS is for Skeeve.
>
> Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom****
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> On 03/03/2013, at 6:03 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:****
>
>  I read this when it came out.  While I understand exactly what Jeff is
> saying, I personally don't agree with his approach.  ****
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> I personally would like to see something else happen.... and I know this
> is far out, but here goes.****
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> I'd like to see individuals to be able to get a /48 themselves... for it
> to be 'theirs' that they can take to ANY ISP they like (or more than one)
> and get announced.  They could keep it for life in theory.****
>
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> I see that it could be like a cell/mobile number... port it, move it
> around, use it on your cell phone or anything you like... imaging wandering
> into a cell store and saying 'use this /64 please for my handset'.****
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> There is enough /48's to do that for the entire planet, squillions of
> times over.... so why not?  Well, obviously BGP technology would have to
> change just a little bit ;-)  But I am sure it could be done.****
>
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> THEN, ISPs wouldn't even need that much space themselves if every business
> and individual had their own space for all their own devices ;-)****
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> BOOM! Mind blown.
> ****
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> ...Skeeve****
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au>
> wrote:****
>
>  On 03/03/2013 05:30 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:****
>
> Correct. ****
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> A /22 of IPv4 is equal to a /32 IPv6.  So you get up to a /32 of v6 for no
> extra fee.****
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> BUT... If you are a business, expect only a /48...  If you are a Service
> Provider, you can probably justify a /32.****
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> but seriously... a /48 is a TONNE for a business.  The only reason you'd
> want more is if you have multiple networks in geographic  disparate
> locations with different upstreams.
> ...****
>
>
> Jeff Doyle begged to differ on this a little while back:
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/logic-bad-ipv6-address-management
>
> TL;DR version:****
>
>    - Businesses: allocate a /48 for every building, no matter how small.**
>    **
>    - ISPs: allocate a /48 for every residential customer.****
>    - Consistency is much more important than waste management.****
>
> Paul****
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