[AusNOG] IPv6
Don Gould
don at bowenvale.co.nz
Sun Mar 3 20:26:57 EST 2013
Is this really how GeoCoding should work anyway?
Why not just use path discovery?
Remind me why we even need Geocoding? (other than being a way to double
clip the ticket on users that are a longer distance from content and
then just invest in tunnels to 'appear' closer to the content than they
really are).
D
On 3/03/2013 10:14 p.m., Michael Andreas Schipp wrote:
> Skeeve, I like this idea but I see a possible problem. You will break
> GEO location unless you go down that same path as breaking the main
> address space by country first – this can lead to waste (or do it
> multiple time to get a DB of GEO based address ranges every x time to
> divide it).
>
> Yes I know the range is HUGE for IPv6 but… thinking now save pain
> later. Maybe unlike v4 to v6 next time we to vX we will make it
> backwards compatible…. As this is the sticking point for IPv6 – there is
> no native IPv4 to IPv6 or vice versa thus we have DS Lite, 6RD, Map-E/T
> and many others.
>
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> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 March 2013 7:23 PM
> *To:* Paul Wallace
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
>
> I don't agree. DNS serves a different function entirely.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au
> <mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>> wrote:
>
> That's what DNS is for Skeeve.
>
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> On 03/03/2013, at 6:03 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
> I read this when it came out. While I understand exactly what
> Jeff is saying, I personally don't agree with his approach.
>
> I personally would like to see something else happen.... and I
> know this is far out, but here goes.
>
> I'd like to see individuals to be able to get a /48
> themselves... for it to be 'theirs' that they can take to ANY
> ISP they like (or more than one) and get announced. They could
> keep it for life in theory.
>
> I see that it could be like a cell/mobile number... port it,
> move it around, use it on your cell phone or anything you
> like... imaging wandering into a cell store and saying 'use this
> /64 please for my handset'.
>
> There is enough /48's to do that for the entire planet,
> squillions of times over.... so why not? Well, obviously BGP
> technology would have to change just a little bit ;-) But I am
> sure it could be done.
>
> THEN, ISPs wouldn't even need that much space themselves if
> every business and individual had their own space for all their
> own devices ;-)
>
> BOOM! Mind blown.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Paul Gear
> <ausnog at libertysys.com.au <mailto:ausnog at libertysys.com.au>> wrote:
>
> On 03/03/2013 05:30 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
> Correct.
>
> A /22 of IPv4 is equal to a /32 IPv6. So you get up to
> a /32 of v6 for no extra fee.
>
> BUT... If you are a business, expect only a /48... If
> you are a Service Provider, you can probably justify a /32.
>
> but seriously... a /48 is a TONNE for a business. The
> only reason you'd want more is if you have multiple
> networks in geographic disparate locations with
> different upstreams.
> ...
>
>
> Jeff Doyle begged to differ on this a little while back:
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/logic-bad-ipv6-address-management
>
> TL;DR version:
>
> * Businesses: allocate a /48 for every building, no matter
> how small.
> * ISPs: allocate a /48 for every residential customer.
> * Consistency is much more important than waste management.
>
> Paul
>
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