[AusNOG] IPv4

[Joshua D'Alton]

Extremely large profit? Millions compared to tens of billions is large
profit?

How are the small guys getting spanked for being ignorant the large
companies' fault? Thats like pointing at somelike who sells stock too early
in retrospect and saying they made a loss...

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Nathan Brookfield <
Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au> wrote:

>  Plus this way people can financially benefit by circumstance and turn am
> extremely large profit from space in some cases which is historic and not
> costing the owner a cent.
>
>  The big guys get bigger while the smaller guys get spanked because they
> missed out on a resource which some people had the impression was never
> ending and were handed out IP space like it was candy at a rave.
>
> Nathan Brookfield
> Chief Executive Officer
>
>  Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> http://www.simtronic.com.au
>
> On 03/03/2013, at 19:54, "Skeeve Stevens" <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>  That is an entirely different discussion.  Right now, it makes its way
> back to IANA.. doesn't stay with APNIC.  And there is no present policies
> for it to get back to the RIR's.
>
>  Even if it did, it would disappear in the blink of an eye.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jared Hirst <
> jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>
>>  Rather than selling the un-used space, wouldn’t the better thing to do
>> is hand it back? Isn’t this the APNIC policy?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
>> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve Stevens
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:47 PM
>> *To:* Mark Newton
>> *Cc:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I see your point... which is why I am in the same state of mind,
>> being 'yeah whatever, get over it people'.
>>
>>
>>
>> When ISOC was going all nuts over IPv6 Day and running around rar raring
>> v6, I couldn't care less to be honest.  My view is that ipv6
>> is inevitable and we just simply have to wait for those laggerts to see the
>> error of their ways by not doing it sooner.
>>
>>
>>
>> v4 is around $16ish per IP on transactions I've seen lately... but that
>> is only for larger blocks of /20+. But I do expect that it will rise $2-5
>> per IP per year by the end of this year, maybe $7 next year and it will go
>> stupid after that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now there are people with excess space, like me with the /20 I sold
>> recently... but pretty soon most space not actively being used will start
>> to run out... and the prices could do anything.  I even see business
>> acquisitions happening based on address space stock... maybe next year.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>
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>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>
>> On 03/03/2013, at 18:14, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Was v4 allocations screwed? I don't know.  We didn't know what was
>> going to happen 20 years ago...
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah we did. That's why we implemented CIDR in the early 1990s and got
>> cracking on IPng.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestion that what's happening right now wasn't both foreseeable *and
>> actually foreseen* 20 years ago is pretty revisionist!
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that's why some of us are pretty relaxed about what's happening
>> with IPv4 at the moment: we've all had a lot of time to come to grips with
>> it, we've all made our predictions about how it'd play out, we all knew
>> what'd happen if the industry didn't do anything about it. They didn't do
>> anything about it, and now it's all coming true. It's not some kind of
>> surprise that everyone is supposed to panic about, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Things will get a lot worse before they get better: CGNs have barely even
>> begun to be deployed yet, and there'll be a whole mountain of pain, anguish
>> and teeth gnashing coming from them when they're commonplace.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile everyone keeps arguing about the last /8 as if it's important
>> or something; in a world where you can get all the IPv4 address space you
>> want by simply spending money on buying it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The price is currently low. Supply and demand will make the cost of
>> acquiring IPv4 inexorably rise until it exceeds the cost of switching to
>> IPv6, at which point demand will start to fall off, and a new equilibrium
>> will be met. The price over time will look like a bell curve with a long
>> tail, and we're juuuuust starting to climb the left hand side...
>>
>>
>>
>>     - mark
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