[AusNOG] IPv4

[Joshua D'Alton]

DNS is supposed to be for aliasing an address, not moving an address
eBGP-ally.

The same reason we have dialing codes (international, regional, local,
whatever) for phone numbers is why we can't have /48s completely infinitely
portable, at least not with BGP anyway.

It makes far more sense to use a DNS style alias approach for things like a
mobile 'number' you can take anywhere in the world to any provider and have
it hooked up, as in, what you should be taking anywhere is your "Skype"
number and how you are reached is purely determined by which provider you
are 'logged into' as opposed to what IPv6 address you are actually
connecting from.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> I don't agree.  DNS serves a different function entirely.
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> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>wrote:
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>> That's what DNS is for Skeeve.
>>
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>> On 03/03/2013, at 6:03 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> I read this when it came out.  While I understand exactly what Jeff is
>> saying, I personally don't agree with his approach.
>>
>> I personally would like to see something else happen.... and I know this
>> is far out, but here goes.
>>
>> I'd like to see individuals to be able to get a /48 themselves... for it
>> to be 'theirs' that they can take to ANY ISP they like (or more than one)
>> and get announced.  They could keep it for life in theory.
>>
>> I see that it could be like a cell/mobile number... port it, move it
>> around, use it on your cell phone or anything you like... imaging wandering
>> into a cell store and saying 'use this /64 please for my handset'.
>>
>> There is enough /48's to do that for the entire planet, squillions of
>> times over.... so why not?  Well, obviously BGP technology would have to
>> change just a little bit ;-)  But I am sure it could be done.
>>
>> THEN, ISPs wouldn't even need that much space themselves if every
>> business and individual had their own space for all their own devices ;-)
>>
>> BOOM! Mind blown.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
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>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au>wrote:
>>
>>>  On 03/03/2013 05:30 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>  A /22 of IPv4 is equal to a /32 IPv6.  So you get up to a /32 of v6
>>> for no extra fee.
>>>
>>>  BUT... If you are a business, expect only a /48...  If you are a
>>> Service Provider, you can probably justify a /32.
>>>
>>>  but seriously... a /48 is a TONNE for a business.  The only reason
>>> you'd want more is if you have multiple networks in geographic  disparate
>>> locations with different upstreams.
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Doyle begged to differ on this a little while back:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/logic-bad-ipv6-address-management
>>>
>>> TL;DR version:
>>>
>>>    - Businesses: allocate a /48 for every building, no matter how small.
>>>    - ISPs: allocate a /48 for every residential customer.
>>>     - Consistency is much more important than waste management.
>>>
>>> Paul
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