[AusNOG] IPv4

[Peter Betyounan]

Exactly the reason we are in this position the cost and benefit is what I
always said great to have someone agree big business doesn't want to spend
to roll it out to the majority for little benefit.



Regards
Peter Betyounan
www.serversaustralia.com.au


On 03/03/2013, at 12:34 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:

No one forced them into business. No one made them go for lower margins
that would mean they aren't/weren't IPv6 ready.

If they decided to hop onto the sinking ship without a lifevest, its their
own damn fault. If they went into business with software like cPanel and
did nothing to try push for proper IPv6 support, again that is their own
fault. Bigpond and Optus have very little reason from content serving
perspective to have IPv6, so it was up to the major sources of content to
get their side ready so that people like Bigpond and Optus actually had
benefit in rolling out IPv6. Do you think David Thodey is going to go to
his board and say "oh hey guys, here's a $100 million proposal to ready our
network for IPv6, of course it won't benefit anyone as none of the content
out there is IPv6, but it will cost us more if we have to do it later" and
get an answer anything other than "bugger off, not interested, it might
cost us more later but all we care about is this years bottom line, screw
the future that is the next CEOs problem"?

Maybe instead of looking at it like the world is shafting these smaller
businesses, maybe look at it like the world has given them a free ride all
this time, and now it is time for them to step up. And if that means their
business folds, well that means more customers for businesses that WILL
survive and manage to implement IPv6 before the 22nd century.

I gotta tell you though, over the past year or so there have been some
fairly massive players on the global stage that have all started charging a
lot more for IPv4, and aside from a few complaints from businesses being
run out of India or Malaysia or somewhere where low margins work really
well, the majority of customers have understood the reality of the cost of
IPv4. And none of them have left the providers, because while the IPv4 cost
increased, overall these lowish margin providers are still a damn sight
cheaper than the majority of companies.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Peter Betyounan <
peter at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> So basically any new businesses that are 1/4 of that age are
> collateral damage in this mess , great view.
>
> There is no force behind change then software providers like Cpanel
> who would hold half the worlds content would move faster on forward
> planning on ipv6. Big providers are at fault as it has been said no
> residential move has been made by the likes of bigpond and Optus so
> take up has been short of nil by market as no substantial end users
> have ipv6.
>
> Laying the blame on small providers is plain wrong.
>
> Regards
> Peter Betyounan
> www.serversaustralia.com.au
>
>
> On 03/03/2013, at 7:06 AM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Peter Betyounan <peter at serversaustralia.com.au>
> >> To: Jared Hirst <jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au>
> >> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 7:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
> >>
> >>
> >> As I have always thought without forceful intervention by the governing
> bodies change will not come, financial incentives/penalties will be the key
> to this and until all big business can feel this change will not come why
> would it when they can CGNAT / buy more IP's / etc etc . The issue here is
> small to medium business who do not have the funds to buy more IP's will
> eventually die automatically monopolizing the market by leaving the big
> players which sucks for competition..../end rant.
> >
> > It won't specifically be IPv6 or running out of IPv4 addresses that will
> have caused these businesses to fail. What those businesses will have
> really done is failed to plan ahead. In this instance, they've had 10 to 15
> years to prepare and plan, and to incorporate the costs of the future
> upgrade into their current product prices. In most other instances e.g. a
> new tax, they'll have less than 12 months to prepare for it. A business
> that can't plan ahead with a 10 to 15 year notification period probably
> shouldn't deserve to survive, because it also probably doing a lot of other
> things wrong too, and has such slim margins that it doesn't have any
> ability to cope with the reasonable yet unexpected cost increases. Would
> they survive if power prices go up by 20%?
> >
> > This sounds harsh, but it is the reality. Businesses that aren't good at
> being a business fail, and the resources they weren't utilising very well
> (e.g. people, infrastructure), are absorbed into businesses that are better
> at being businesses.
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