[AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices

Fri Jul 19 15:18:21 EST 2013

Lets not confuse people who have an aversion to using a mobile with an 
elderly person, with a diagnosed medical condition who may have limited 
mental capabilities due to age. They know if they lift a handset and 
press 0-0-0 they will get life saving help. On a mobile, in the middle 
of an episode, will the mobile be charged? will it be on? will they be 
able to unlock it? They probably also have Priority Assist, so if there 
is a fault, much more effort is put into fixing it quickly.

Whatever replaces this will need to have the same levels of service 
availability combined with ease of use. It's easy to say there is a $50 
box that allows a POTS handset to connect to the mobile network, but can 
that network provide the availability of a priority assist phone line? 
If it can't, how much will it cost to get it to that point?

It's a bit like the difference between using a $50 router and using a 
quality router with attached support agreement. The cheapie will work 
for most people most of the time, beyond that, who knows.

Glen

On 19.07.2013 14:37, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
> Completely agree, using a mobile is a better option in most cases,
> but it's that learning curve, then they have to keep it charged, pay
> for a mobile plan, have service etc.
>
> My in-laws are a prime example (though they don't need the phone for
> medical reasons or anything). They live 20 minutes out of town here,
> due to geographic layout most of the small town / village / community
> they live in gets poor coverage at best, non-existent inside the 
> house
> (Telstra and Optus btw, don't even mention Vodafone out here). They
> both have mobiles but they hate to use them and only turn them on in
> an emergency (basically, broken down on the way to work is about it)
> and you just don't even try to contact them on it cause it's a waste
> of time.
>
> Also things like that tend to be hard to put numbers against (time or
> cost) so avoiding it makes sense from a planning perspective.
>
> You can get ADSL modem / router / ATA boxes now and it's not hard to
> imagine a GPON Modem / router / ATA in the future but that doesn't
> exist now that I'm aware of, it'd still need a battery backup then
> too.
>
> Thanks,
> Ayden Beeson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Thorpe
> Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 2:25 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day
> yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices
>
> Would it really be such a bad idea to encourage these people to use a
> mobile? Politically, of course it would be, but in reality, would it?
>
> If someone really just wants a phone, I'm pretty sure vendors will be
> quick to build plug-n-play devices that provide an analogue voice 
> port
> at one end and a fibre port at the other. Yes, this is effectively a
> router + ATA such as those already available, but does provide a
> certain level of familiarity that these people are looking for.
>
> Similar to an ISDN to Analogue adapter perhaps?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
> Heinz N
> Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 2:04 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day
> yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
>>
>> There is also that major point made before, that some people simply
>> require a PSTN service that is reliable and guaranteed.
>
> +1
>
> With NBN, Granny Myrtle McCready will now need a NTU that needs a
> power brick with a battery. She will also need an ATA (which ALSO
> needs power).
> She can't understand why she needs to have all those extra new
> fangled power cables going to those funny boxes with lights on them.
> Perhaps ditching NBN and getting a mobile would be a MUCH easier
> solution for her?
>
> In order to save power because of price gouging by electricty
> suppliers and incompetent governments, she turns her electricity off
> "of the night"
> and wonders why her grand daugther isn't phoning her any more (as
> well as the funny beeping from one of the boxes). Typical dumb
> politicians trying to ram stuff through with no understanding at all
> on the consequences to those least able to cope!
>
> Everyone on this list has no probs configuring any sort of CPE or a
> more substantial router as might be needed to handle multiple ports,
> as well as UPSs etc etc. However, unfortunately _most_ people are
> still technically illiterate and will remain so.
>
> H.
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