[AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices

[Andrew Jones]

I can see that side of things as well, but the difference in my opinion 
is that the NBN is meant to have many more uses than just Internet and 
phone. If a customer could get a second strand for a reasonable build 
cost, I would be ok with that.
I certainly think that the current NBN is way too expensive.

On 18.07.2013 11:33, Joseph Goldman wrote:
> I thought the same, as someone who currently has 2 NBN RSP's on my
> NTD it is a good fit and quite easy. My preferred routers are also
> only ethernet so I'd be locked in to a more limited range of routers
> that can terminate GPON, or have a deal like I had to do when DSL was
> my only connection, which is a small single port device to interface
> with the network (e.g. ADSL Modem) that bridges through to my 
> ethernet
> router to do the real grunt (NAT/Firewall etc).
>
> But on the flip side it is very common for a house to only have a
> single copper line in, and those rare people who require multiple
> connections pay for the benefit of doing so through adding a second
> line, which can run up to $299 at Telstra build-out cost I believe. 
> So
> given that most dwellings would only need a single provider at any 
> one
> time, I would say those who are in the specific need for multiple
> connections would have to pay for a second 'line' like any other
> customer in current networks. The cost benefit Simon talks about for
> the majority of households would far outweigh the extra work required
> for the small minority that would request such a setup.
>
> /2c
>
> On 18/07/13 11:28, Andrew Jones wrote:
>> Good presentation, and while my first reaction was to agree with 
>> Simon, the issue I see with this is that unless each dwelling is able 
>> to have multiple strands of fibre delivered, the first RSP to sell a 
>> service has a monopoly on the residence's connections. With the 
>> current NBN design, a second (or third) RSP can use another of the 
>> ports. On the current system with services delivered primarily over 
>> phone lines, we can have second provider on a separate line. I think 
>> that only offering a single GPON handoff to each premises could reduce 
>> competition and increase provider lock-in.
>>
>>
>> On 18.07.2013 11:15, Greg McLennan wrote:
>>> +1 Watch the 20 video.
>>>  -------
>>>  On 18/07/2013 11:12 AM, Michael Andreas Schipp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recommend you spend the 20 min to listen - good stuff.
>>>>
>>>> FROM: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] ON BEHALF OF 
>>>> George Fong
>>>> SENT: Thursday, 18 July 2013 10:46 AM
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>>>> SUBJECT: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's presentation from Comms Day 
>>>> yesterday - NBN fibre on copper prices
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> If you haven't already seen it, here's a link to Simon's thought
>>>>
>>>> provoking and challenging presentation at Comms Day. Is NBNCo 
>>>> doing it
>>>>
>>>> too hard, too complex and too expensive?
>>>>
>>>> http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/ 
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
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