[AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

[Joshua D'Alton]

No but sites listed are representitive of people who would think the net is
borked.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Michael Andreas Schipp <
MSchipp at a10networks.com> wrote:

>  Sites listed was not based on traffic load but how many people would
> think the internet was broken and demand a fix J****
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Joshua D'Alton
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 January 2013 11:19 PM
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> *To:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!****
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> No but that is a great example. They are about 5% of the worlds traffic,
> and give or take they could survive with a tiny amount of IP space,
> probably not even a /22.****
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> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Michael Andreas Schipp <
> MSchipp at a10networks.com> wrote:****
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>  Simple – have Facebook, Twitter and iTunes turn off IPv4 access.****
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Zone Networks - Joel
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 January 2013 11:09 PM
> *To:* 'Joshua D'Alton'; 'AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net'****
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!****
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> I think it’s time for a y2k style “bug” in the ipv4 system..:P, ****
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> DoomsDays Alert -  change to ipv6 by 01/02/2013 else you will be OFFLINE
> aka no internet !! J****
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
> mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Joshua D'Alton
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 January 2013 10:26 PM
> *To:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!****
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> I'm suggesting IPv6 *is* something you move to, but only if the top 100AS
> move to it all at once. I agree with the rest of what you say, and agree
> that unless the majority of the world shifts to v6 over night, the problems
> you alliterate to will exist, but that is what I suggest is a solution.***
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> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Brooks <
> pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au> wrote:****
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> On 25/01/2013 5:15 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:****
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> Forcing all the small providers who can't get enough space to move to v6,
> as you talk about Skeeve, won't fix the problem anywhere near as fast as
> doing it the other way around. It is true that it is band-aid if the
> smaller pockets of v4 left are simply re-allocated, but what isn't a
> bandaid is re-allocating the massive IP space. Imagine moving Telstra off
> v4, suddenly we'd have more than enough IPv4 space for the smaller
> providers in Australia, for whom rolling out v6 will cost far more as a
> percentage than it would Telstra.****
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> The trouble with this and many of the other posts in this thread is an
> implicit assumption that IPv6 is something that you *move to* - and then
> once you have moved to IPv6 you don't need IPv4 space any more.
> IPv6 is something you *add*, not move to. You need to add IPv6, so your
> customers can communicate as much as possible with the new Internet. You
> still need to keep serving out your IPv4 addresses, so your customers can
> keep communicating with the 'old Internet' hold-outs that haven't also
> added IPv6 to their system. The IPv4 proportion of total traffic should
> drop over time - but each ISP will still need to be handing out IPv4 in
> parallel with IPv6 for probably decades to come.
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> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net> wrote:****
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> There are short term solutions already:****
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> - Get your final /22****
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> - New companies can get a /22****
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> - You buy some IPv4 of the open market****
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> - You invest in CGN/LSN to extend the life of your v4 (not an
> 'alternative' that some stupid journalists suggested in the last week)****
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> - You roll-out IPv6/Dual-Stack/etc faster and start shifting those you can
> ****
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> For a brand spanking new ISP, try getting by with a /22. Even deploying
> IPv6 from Day 0, buying IPv4 space on the open market is the only way
> forward for a new market entrant, as IPv6-only isn't viable yet.
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> Paul.****
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