[AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

[Steve Lisson]

Very minimal and last time I checked vast majority of IPv6 traffic was DNS. (has been awhile, probably a good % now that have most systems I interface with dual stacked and have native IPv6 at home via Internode is data transfer to/from work to home.)

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Zone Networks - Joel
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 6:11 PM
To: brad at delion.com.au; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

Hi Brad,  and anyone else that is dual stack

How much traffic are you are seeing via your ipv6 network currently ?

J

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Brad Evans
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 6:31 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

Yes, while it's certainly not a solution, you can't say that the equivalent of 200,000+ unallocated /24's is of no use to some networks right now.  I'd put my hand up for a few more.  This would be another /22 for every AS, with some to spare.

One could argue that feeding the IPv4 pool removes the incentive to go dual stack, but we already have gone dual stack and still have a requirement for IPv4 because others haven't.

-Brad
On 25/01/2013 6:22 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:
I had some nice examples of why it would last more than just a couple of months, but chrome crashed and it has been gone into enough. It would work though for the majority of smaller companies, most of the exhaustion comes from the large companies, not the small ones. And its the large companies who can afford v6, while the smaller companies cannot so much. You only need to look at v6 implementation to see this.
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net<mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net>> wrote:
Exactly,

So recovering anything, is of no use or point whatsoever as we'd be back in the same position within a couple of months, regardless of justification, price, and so on.

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Julien Goodwin <ausnog at studio442.com.au<mailto:ausnog at studio442.com.au>> wrote:
I did some analysis of this a while back:

http://laptop006.livejournal.com/52380.html

My summary was:
"In terms of the coming IPv4 exhaustion we have 817 allocated /16's
completely unused, for over 5.3M IP addresses, or ~3.2 entire /8's,
giving, at the current consumption rate[6], just under two and a half
months more IPv4[7]."

On 25/01/13 16:58, Daniel Pearson wrote:
> With all the interest in IP's I thought it would be good to share this
> little story.
>
>
>
> A while back 6-8 months ago I did some digging and found a spare /16 not
> being used.... Yep that's right a /16 with not one active resource on it.
>
>
>
> I approached the owner who is no longer in business but found the
> administrators and asked if they can release it back to the pool and at
> the same time transfer me a /20. They refused point blank and said they
> would be holding onto it as it could one day be worth lots!
>
>
>
> After talking with APNIC about it I was told *(verbally) that they can
> hold onto them even if they have no proven use for them.... So I wonder
> how many of these are out there.
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>
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> What really annoys me is we are running out and are using every address
> sparingly and here is a company who no longer exists holding onto a /16
> as one day it might be worth something..... go figure.
>
>
>
> How many other examples of this exist?
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> Discuss!
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