[AusNOG] Fwd: LulzSec Leader Arrested in Sydney - One of our

[Matt Whitlock]

So I've been avoiding this discussion but I think my experience with AusNOG is relevant to this.

I used AusNOG on behalf of my previous employer to assist with information sharing when things were going on with the network. After an incident in DC2 in BNE, my messages to this list were picked up by a journo and used to create a completely different set of events from what I wrote and from what actually happened. Because a few direct words in a sea of inaccuracy had been lifted from my messages, the article was riddled with quotes attributed to a spokesperson of the company. This led to me not using AusNOG again in this way.

We also had a number of incidents where our PIRs and RFOs were published to AusNOG by various list members. This also led to times where journos would mine them to write articles. I would then have to ask the poster to not do it as the risk of an inaccurate article being written was too high.

None of this information was bound by an NDA or particularly confidential but when used out of context and without proper explanation led to unduly negative impressions of the company.

A closed list would allow such helpful information to be shared for the good of the community and would be understood in the context it was meant for.

This is why I believe there is enough space to have both lists living alongside each other.

On 27/04/2013, at 18:56, "Joshua D'Alton" <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:

> Frequently confidential? What part of NDA don't you grasp? Unless Bevan himself decides to post whatever tidbit of information that we didn't currently know (we could probably find it out easily enough if we did either way), then I don't see how it will ever be any more information than AusNOG contains, and with aforementioned 'leaking' there'll be no less press, lawyers, or bottom-dwelling scum either. (btw how stupid do you think such a 'leaker' would be.. obviously they wouldn't just setup a plain email to web, they'd strip out all the headers and so forth leaving only the posters name and the post.. theres software to do this on google..)
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> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net> wrote:
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>>> We'll probably get the stop thread message soon if we continue discussion
>>> on this, annnnd, I'm still amused at how/why people think the new list will
>>> be closed to the 'public'. It takes 5 minutes to setup an email pipe to
>>> replicate the 'private' content elsewhere.
>> 
>> I've resisted posting on this thread.... but seriously????
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>> It would take exactly *ONE* message to identify which scumbag was retransmitting the email, and then they'd be removed from the list, probably permanently.
>> 
>> I don't know if I'll be permitted on the new list or not. Either way, a list free of "the press", lawyers, and the bottom-dwelling scum who would otherwise misuse what is frequently confidential material is a good thing IM(NS)HO.
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