[AusNOG] Noglist.com

Fri Apr 26 18:31:11 EST 2013

Whilst I understand the motivation behind the NogList I question how useful
it will be for the following reasons:

1. The point is made about an apparent proliferation of 'non technical'
discussions on AusNOG. If the new list is to be strictly technical then you
aren't going to have too many lurkers or journalists sniffing around anyway.
I get the general idea though - for some people their work is way too
important to allow any sort of levity. Whilst I would question whether they
have the right balance in their life I wouldn't condemn anyone for having
that sort of work ethic.

2. Skeeve - I seriously question your comment that 'One of the features of
the NogList.com list is that people will be able to talk openly'. Regardless
of how open the list is, the people on that list are still in competition
with each other so I doubt that there will be a new era of glasnost among
network operators other than perhaps people being a bit more willing to
openly point the finger at other people, knowing that it won't be a headline
in the tech section of tomorrow's Australian.

Anyways only time will tell I guess. As long as the most
informative/entertaining people don't abandon our beloved AusNOG it will be
no skin off our collective off-topic noses.

I do realise that Bevan said this wasn't a discussion and in the true spirit
of AusNOG I find myself compelled to join in on the discussion. 

J

Gary

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 5:56 PM
To: Don Gould
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Noglist.com

Hey Don,

One of the features of the NogList.com list is that people will be able to
talk openly... which on Ausnog they are not due to the media and many others
who may react to a lot of information.

It is my feeling that NogList should be a closed list which has the primary
purpose of Network Operator information only.... which, while people would
love to know about things, is of very little real value to them.

If you open the list to Read Only access, then it does away with the
semi-private aspect.

I support it being a closed list... not just because I am a network
operator, but because I believe it is a very good idea.

...Skeeve

Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd

skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
<http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/> 

Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve

facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve 

twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net
<http://www.network-ceo.net/> 

Image removed by sender.

The Experts Who The Experts Call

Juniper - Cisco - Cloud

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Don Gould <don at bowenvale.co.nz> wrote:

Will your new list be publicly visible with only authorised posters or
simply completely closed?

D

On 26/04/2013 12:31 p.m., Bevan Slattery wrote:

Hi everyone,

As part of the previous discussion, I prepared the new list called
Noglist.com.  I was asked by Ausnog to hold off until they had a chance to
propose a solution to the existing issues.  Ausnog will be more proactively
moderating the Ausnog list.  A great step forward and good news.

However, feedback from many people off-list is that regardless of increased
moderation, they feel they are no longer prepared to contribute to many of
the discussions due to the open nature of the list.  Concerns include:

1.  Any communication is available to any person or organisation that
subscribes including journalists and non-network people

2.  Any communication is archived publicly and widely available to the
public

3.  While initial discussions are generally on-topic, they typically
detoriate over a short period of time

4.  Too much non-technical traffic is still being generated

It has been agreed that a new closed list will be created.  Requirements are
listed on the site and include:

1.	 network operator/administrator or engineer on a public network with
an ASN.
2.	technical expert for network hardware or software systems
3.	Owner/operator of underlying critical network infrastructure (data
centres, underground infrastructure eg. pit/pipe, submarine or
inter-capital, energy and utility providers)
4.	Persons who are widely recognised as having considerable and
valuable input to the community

It is the intention that the list will build over a reasonably short period
of time to include all major network and infrastructure administrators and
owners.

Now to be very clear - it is not intended to replace Ausnog and will NOT
replace Ausnog.  Ausnog is a very valuable resource to the community.
However what has become apparent is that there is a substantial amount of
information that is not discussed or disclosed to the Ausnog list for fear
of possible sensitive information being republished.

Currently running a test environment here: https://noglist.com/test.php  

This is for information only and not intended for discussion.

Cheers

[b]

_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

-- 
Don Gould
31 Acheson Ave
Mairehau
Christchurch, New Zealand
Ph: + 64 3 348 7235
Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699

_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20130426/31d7279e/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: ~WRD000.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 823 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/attachments/20130426/31d7279e/attachment.jpg>