[AusNOG] Moderated/Vetted AusNOG list to reduce the guff (was Re: Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.)

Sun Apr 14 10:40:43 EST 2013

+1 Not opposed to a closed list but I don't think any of us have the time
to moderate the list in a timely fashion.

Barrie

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Phill Groom <pgroom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'v been in the industry in both Australia and New Zealand for more years
> than I care to remember. Some of the prominent contributors to this list
>  know exactly who I am and what I do/have done, however most of the current
> contributors would not.
>
> If membership of this list were to be vetted then who gets to be "God" and
> how do those people decide who is "in" and who is "out"? Have to have at
> least one AS registered in your name? I've never had any in my own name
> however I've been responsible for some pretty well known ones. Have to have
> a .net email address? I have tons of those but I don't work on any of those
> networks at the moment. Check your Linkedin profile/friends? Mine says what
> I have done and where I am but that could all be made up and total garbage.
> Rely on word of mouth among other "trusted" contributors? What about the
> little guy who has never been heard of but who may have control over an AS
> that could potentially bring down or seriously affect one of the big guys
> or their customers?
>
> I have worked for one of the ISP's that probably is mentioned more on this
> list than any other for over 30 years however I don't currently have
> operational control over that network. I manage a customers network.
> Working for that ISP might be enough to qualify me for membership of the
> list but should I be a member when I don't have operational or
> administrative control at the moment?
>
> This list is an amazing resource. Leave it as it is and ignore the fluff
> (as many of you will probably do with this post!).
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Tom Paseka <tom at cloudflare.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not against a more closed, vetted list.
>>
>> Agree that moderation is silly.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with that is it might take 3 hours to get a post moderated.
>>> I'd say that is a long time for networks to not be able to 'fix' things.
>>> People probably wouldn't bother and would just use IRC or skype or plain
>>> email to the contacts they've found through ausnog.
>>>
>>> Are there really that many threads (not posts, threads) on here taking
>>> up peoples time to the extent they feel this is necessary?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Phillip Grasso <
>>> phillip.grasso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of topics aren't unreasonable, thoughts on setup a smaller list
>>>> that is concentrated / moderated etc.
>>>>
>>>> I like the format
>>>>
>>>> ausnog (mostly network operators).
>>>> ausnog-ops (moderated list australian network operators).
>>>> ausnog-jobs (jobs posting).
>>>> ausnog-trades (sales/buying, trades, borrowing parts etc).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Once off vetting, and then having people control themselves is going
>>>>> to be far less moderation effort than having a small set of moderators have
>>>>> to read each and every email and hit some of them on the head. The threat
>>>>> of losing your privilege of being able to participate should be
>>>>> enough to make people moderate themselves, or quickly stop if they are told
>>>>> by others that they've crossed the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> If issues such as this one need to get into the public domain, they
>>>>> will indirectly.
>>>>>
>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>  *From:* James Hodgkinson <yaleman at ricetek.net>
>>>>> *To:* "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 14 April 2013 8:49 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
>>>>> melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> No reason to start a new list or "vet" people onto it, just get some
>>>>> moderators who slap down threads and make sure it stays on-topic :)
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 April 2013 18:28, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>
>>>>> Date: Saturday, 13 April 2013 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com>
>>>>> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>, Nathan Nogic
>>>>> <nathan at mds.au.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
>>>>> melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> > The lack of response is less about conspiracy and more about apathy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah – However, my apathy is not because of journos but because Ausnog
>>>>> is no longer a network operators group, but a splinter of Whirlpool.
>>>>>
>>>>> It feeling like trying to have an discussion of the NBN in a Whirlpool
>>>>> thread in 2010/11.  Anyone for a true Network Operators Group email list?
>>>>>  This is just tiring and filling up my inbox…
>>>>>
>>>>> [b]
>>>>>
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