[AusNOG] Moderated/Vetted AusNOG list to reduce the guff (was Re: Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.)

[Phill Groom]

I'v been in the industry in both Australia and New Zealand for more years
than I care to remember. Some of the prominent contributors to this list
 know exactly who I am and what I do/have done, however most of the current
contributors would not.

If membership of this list were to be vetted then who gets to be "God" and
how do those people decide who is "in" and who is "out"? Have to have at
least one AS registered in your name? I've never had any in my own name
however I've been responsible for some pretty well known ones. Have to have
a .net email address? I have tons of those but I don't work on any of those
networks at the moment. Check your Linkedin profile/friends? Mine says what
I have done and where I am but that could all be made up and total garbage.
Rely on word of mouth among other "trusted" contributors? What about the
little guy who has never been heard of but who may have control over an AS
that could potentially bring down or seriously affect one of the big guys
or their customers?

I have worked for one of the ISP's that probably is mentioned more on this
list than any other for over 30 years however I don't currently have
operational control over that network. I manage a customers network.
Working for that ISP might be enough to qualify me for membership of the
list but should I be a member when I don't have operational or
administrative control at the moment?

This list is an amazing resource. Leave it as it is and ignore the fluff
(as many of you will probably do with this post!).

Phill.




On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Tom Paseka <tom at cloudflare.com> wrote:

> I'm not against a more closed, vetted list.
>
> Agree that moderation is silly.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:
>
>> The problem with that is it might take 3 hours to get a post moderated.
>> I'd say that is a long time for networks to not be able to 'fix' things.
>> People probably wouldn't bother and would just use IRC or skype or plain
>> email to the contacts they've found through ausnog.
>>
>> Are there really that many threads (not posts, threads) on here taking up
>> peoples time to the extent they feel this is necessary?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Most of topics aren't unreasonable, thoughts on setup a smaller list
>>> that is concentrated / moderated etc.
>>>
>>> I like the format
>>>
>>> ausnog (mostly network operators).
>>> ausnog-ops (moderated list australian network operators).
>>> ausnog-jobs (jobs posting).
>>> ausnog-trades (sales/buying, trades, borrowing parts etc).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once off vetting, and then having people control themselves is going to
>>>> be far less moderation effort than having a small set of moderators have to
>>>> read each and every email and hit some of them on the head. The threat of
>>>> losing your privilege of being able to participate should be enough to
>>>> make people moderate themselves, or quickly stop if they are told by others
>>>> that they've crossed the line.
>>>>
>>>> If issues such as this one need to get into the public domain, they
>>>> will indirectly.
>>>>
>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>  *From:* James Hodgkinson <yaleman at ricetek.net>
>>>> *To:* "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 14 April 2013 8:49 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
>>>> melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>>>>
>>>> No reason to start a new list or "vet" people onto it, just get some
>>>> moderators who slap down threads and make sure it stays on-topic :)
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 April 2013 18:28, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>
>>>> Date: Saturday, 13 April 2013 5:39 PM
>>>> To: Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com>
>>>> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>, Nathan Nogic <
>>>> nathan at mds.au.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
>>>> melbournefreeuniversity.org.
>>>>
>>>> > The lack of response is less about conspiracy and more about apathy.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah – However, my apathy is not because of journos but because Ausnog
>>>> is no longer a network operators group, but a splinter of Whirlpool.
>>>>
>>>> It feeling like trying to have an discussion of the NBN in a Whirlpool
>>>> thread in 2010/11.  Anyone for a true Network Operators Group email list?
>>>>  This is just tiring and filling up my inbox…
>>>>
>>>> [b]
>>>>
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