[AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Joshua D'Alton]

Cost of transit from Go4 in AU is definitely > backhaul to US/JP + US/JP
local transit). Latest calculations from a 10Gbit perspective put it at
~45k +~10k

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Peter Childs <PChilds at internode.com.au>wrote:

>
>  Is this issue perhaps that without being able to demonstrate that a
> dominant carrier is using its position of dominance, through action or
> inaction, to stifle competition that you aren't really going to see any
> regulator take any steps to resolve peering concerns?
>
>  Being completely unaware of any of the commercials or logistics does the
> price of transit in Australia > price-of-transit-in-not-AU +
> cost-of-getting-that-back-to-AU ?
>
>  Does the fact that these large players won't 'peer' with smaller players
> prevent competition in the market?
>
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>   From: Zone Networks - Joel <joel at zonenetworks.com.au>
> Date: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 11:53 AM
> To: 'Joshua D'Alton' <joshua at railgun.com.au>, "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <
> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic
> missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>
>   Sean’s idea is not a bad…****
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> but I reckon the end user’s, cable/adsl customer etc need to be educated
> first.. about what GO4 is doing to domestic traffic****
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> most gamers understand latency etc…****
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> if you going to route GO4 traffic to US, gamers will be your best friends
> if you want to cause a shit storm…****
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> They will give GO4 support hell…****
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> Gamers whinge if they is an increase in latency by 5-10 ms… we are talking
> about 100ms+ here****
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> To my knowledge most of the major game networks are hosted outside of GO4,
> except for Game Arena****
>
> That is including major game releases from the likes of EA Sports which
> are hosted privately****
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
> mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Joshua D'Alton
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 November 2012 11:43 AM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic
> missingfrom PIPE-IX?****
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> Well its really just economics, supply and demand (which is low in our
> case).
>
> All the Telstra gamer customers will care about latency to their game
> servers, but I guess the majority of customers probably won't be impacted
> by latency :/ If it was done before, when and to what result, and why isn't
> it still happening if it saves costs ?****
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> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net> wrote:****
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> On 12/11/12 8:55 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:****
>
> Anyway... Perhaps greater cooperation amongst providers in AU would be
> able to breach the Reach (har har) and achieve the sort of pricing that
> you see on trans-atlantic (transit basically) links::
>
> http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com/documents/ProjectKelvin-PricingMarch20111_000.pdf
> ****
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> I'll leave it to Bevin to explain cable economics 101 :-)****
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> Seans Idea of pumping all the traffic overseas for a week to pwn the Go4
> is a great idea, what would be better is the establishment of a
> "not-for-profit" consortium that got together to bully the Go4 into
> submission. The best thing about it is even the dedicated server
> providers that have them used by gamers won't be bearing much of a brunt
> as it will be T$lstra who has to explain why latency to next door
> neighbour on iiNet is being routed via SJ while iiNet customer enjoys
> low latency to 90% of providers who do choose to peer. Or at least that
> would be the idea (trollface), maybe someone experienced could think of
> the actual ramifications and possibilities..****
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> You make the flawed assumption that they care about latency to other
> providers. Also been there and tried it.
>
> Mark.
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> ****
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