[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missing from PIPE-IX?

[Joshua D'Alton]

The Wire: BGP hijacks for fun and profit

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Matthew Maxwell <matt at xembler.org> wrote:

> CSI: Wireshark.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 09/11/2012, at 20:39, "Sean K. Finn" <sean.finn at ozservers.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Complemented by off season runs of
> >
> > Law and Order: Missing Packets Divison
> >
> > On 09/11/2012, at 7:49 PM, "Mark Smith" <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
> >
> >> There seems to be a bit of a trend these days for police shows to take
> their stories from real life events. Perhaps this Vocus/Pipe drama might
> end up on
> >>
> >> Law & Order : MTU
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: James Spenceley <james at vocus.com.au>
> >>> To: Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
> >>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> >>> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 4:53 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
> missing from PIPE-IX?
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> We are probably at the point that some level of clarification would
> help.
> >>>
> >>> Due to contractual reasons we were required to vacate all of our racks
> in the
> >>> PIPE facilities and also turn off a number of misc services (such as
> some
> >>> remaining fibre tails and peering). For clarity TPG/PIPE was entirely
> entitled
> >>> to take the course of action they did.
> >>>
> >>> This involved Vocus moving a not-so-insignificant number of customers'
> >>> services and kit in a very short window of time. That move was
> completed
> >>> successfully yesterday and the last live pieces of equipment in PIPE
> DCs were
> >>> turned down last night (including all peering).  Not all of our
> peering services
> >>> were terminated, but given that we expected they would be, we have
> planned for
> >>> it and shut them down ahead of time.
> >>>
> >>> Vocus is still openly peering at the WAIA exchange points (WAIX,
> VIC-IX, QLD-IX)
> >>> and also at Equinix in Sydney (where we have upgraded our port to
> handle the
> >>> increased bandwidth).  Our full routes are still available at those
> points and a
> >>> huge number of locations privately, if the volume justifies the
> port/cross
> >>> connect/admin costs.
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to thank all of our affected customers (a lot whom are on this
> >>> list) for their patience and assistance. I know this has caused you
> additional
> >>> cost and distraction, so the positive attitude and support you've
> >>> (literally) all shown is greatly appreciated.  Also I'd like to thank
> our IP
> >>> and Fibre teams who managed the migrations - they are simply the best
> and most
> >>> dedicated guys I know and worked incredibly hard to minimise any
> customer
> >>> inconvenience.
> >>>
> >>> A number of people have suggested that this might escalate. It won't.
> There
> >>> is no "war". TPG/PIPE still have racks in Vocus data centres and we
> >>> won't be changing that. I've expressed this to PIPE and those who have
> >>> voiced concerns and now it is on public record.
> >>>
> >>> Both PIPE and Vocus will continue working in a professional manor for
> the
> >>> delivery of Fibre/Telco services to each other's facilities. Pipe
> exercised
> >>> their contractual rights, it caused us a lot of difficultly but that's
> life
> >>> its now in the past. Since then there have been no instances of
> anything
> >>> deliberately negative.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> (speaking privately to ausnog, not to any wider audience)
> >>>
> >>> @Nathan Brookfield, on your delay getting cross connects, I don't
> believe
> >>> that is down to a conspiracy or any issues between PIPE and Vocus.
> Please talk
> >>> to your co-lo provider about getting the cross connect escalated (I'm
> sure
> >>> after your post it now has some attention). If there is anything we
> can do to
> >>> help, drop me a line.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 08/11/2012, at 12:55 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 12:32 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's....
> >>> now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing.
>  The company
> >>> that rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they
> operated, no
> >>> longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad,
> because it is
> >>> (or was) a good network asset.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you are claiming now something the rest of us don't know, that is
> >>> that PIPE instigated this, or are you (as I suspect) just wildly
> waving your
> >>> arms pointing in a direction of your least liked characters?
> >>>> You're an intelligent man Skeeve, If you did know the truth, I doubt
> >>> you would be foolish enough to even imply it in public, so lets stop
> with the
> >>> blame game because unless one of the entities directly involved press
> release
> >>> it, no-one will really know, and as it's nobody else's business I
> >>> wouldn't hold your breath waiting for one <face-wink.png>  and since
> >>> I'm only a bush lawyer (like almost everyone else around here), I'd say
> >>> one party wont without the agreement of the other fearing legal
> ramifications.
> >>>>
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