[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Craig Askings]

Waia already have peering points on the east coast. I'm sure they would love more participants. 

Craig. 

Sent from a small slab of glass, please excuse any typos. 

On 08/11/2012, at 10:15 AM, "Joshua D'Alton" <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:

> Perhaps along with the recent thread about a DR 'summit', we ought to have an AusNOG peering summit, whereby we can make some decisions for the operation of australia-wide neutral entities. WAIA I would probably put forward as being a base template that could be used in the other cities, or even in fact WAIA operating them in the other cities. I'd certainly not have any problems with those guys, they provide a very professional service even with all the QR1 power issues ;)
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> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Tristram Cheer <tristram.cheer at ubergroup.co.nz> wrote:
>> This is very interesting to watch across the ditch, Certainly reinforces the argument for having IX’s operated by neutral entities. At least in the issue of Vocus being removed from the PIPE IX
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>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:41 a.m.
>> To: Mark Smith
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>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>> Optus and Telstra are clearly competitors too... so are Nextgen and a pile of others.... but you don't see Pipe playing games with them - because only they would lose out.
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>> I don't know the reasons why Pipe chose this path yet, but I'd like to...  The community has been seriously inconvenienced by this bullshit.
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>> Any player (not just Pipe... AAPT went through this) who plays with the industry like this will find themselves in serious issues as providers will just abandon them in droves.  AAPT is only just clawing back some of their wholesale business are being stupid to deal with for a long time.
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>> Pipe is an awesome asset, I just hope it is treated well, but in the end it is David Teoh's toy to destroy if he likes.
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>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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>> Why are you surprised? I think it is more surprising that Pipe accommodated (in a variety of ways) Vocus for as long as they did, since they're clearly competitors. Pipe (or any commercial company) have no obligation to help out their competitors, unless it is mandated by the government, or there is a mutual benefit.
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>> This is probably also a good thing for Vocus, as it will cause them to reduce their dependency on somebody who considers them to be a threat.
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>> Pipe IXes may be good places to peer, but if they become less so, other parties will likely step in to take their place.
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>> > From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net>
>> >To: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> >Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:30 AM
>> >Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missing from PIPE-IX?
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>> >All,
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>> >Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and Pipe?
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>> >I know Pipe has evicted Vocus from most or all of its co-location facilities... 
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>> >I don't like seeing bullshit going on in this industry when we're all just trying to get a job done.  This is the sort of thing that eventually affects the players downstream and in the end no-one really benefits by big players having a fight.
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>> >Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
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>> >...Skeeve
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>> >On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au> wrote:
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>> >Yeah I noticed their BGP session with PIPE IX went down this morning.
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>> >>Neighbor        V          AS MsgRcvd MsgSent   TblVer  InQ OutQ Up/Down  State/PfxRcd
>> >>218.100.2.45 4       4826  861066  916856        0    0    0 08:49:47 Active -Brad
>> >>On 7/11/2012 7:35 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:
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>> >>Has anyone else noticed that VOCUS traffic has disappeared from the PIPE-IXes?
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>> >>>Anyone know what’s going on?
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>> >>>-S
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