[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Thu Nov 8 09:55:02 EST 2012

This is very interesting to watch across the ditch, Certainly reinforces
the argument for having IX's operated by neutral entities. At least in
the issue of Vocus being removed from the PIPE IX

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:41 a.m.
To: Mark Smith
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
missingfrom PIPE-IX?

Optus and Telstra are clearly competitors too... so are Nextgen and a
pile of others.... but you don't see Pipe playing games with them -
because only they would lose out.

I don't know the reasons why Pipe chose this path yet, but I'd like
to...  The community has been seriously inconvenienced by this bullshit.

Any player (not just Pipe... AAPT went through this) who plays with the
industry like this will find themselves in serious issues as providers
will just abandon them in droves.  AAPT is only just clawing back some
of their wholesale business are being stupid to deal with for a long
time.

Pipe is an awesome asset, I just hope it is treated well, but in the end
it is David Teoh's toy to destroy if he likes.

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

Why are you surprised? I think it is more surprising that Pipe
accommodated (in a variety of ways) Vocus for as long as they did, since
they're clearly competitors. Pipe (or any commercial company) have no
obligation to help out their competitors, unless it is mandated by the
government, or there is a mutual benefit.

This is probably also a good thing for Vocus, as it will cause them to
reduce their dependency on somebody who considers them to be a threat.

Pipe IXes may be good places to peer, but if they become less so, other
parties will likely step in to take their place.

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> From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net
<mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellego.net> >
>To: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:30 AM
>Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missing
from PIPE-IX?
>
>
>All,
>
>
>Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and
Pipe?
>
>
>I know Pipe has evicted Vocus from most or all of its co-location
facilities... 
>
>
>I don't like seeing bullshit going on in this industry when we're all
just trying to get a job done.  This is the sort of thing that
eventually affects the players downstream and in the end no-one really
benefits by big players having a fight.
>
>
>Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>
>
>...Skeeve
>
>
>
>
>Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd
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>On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au> wrote:
>
>Yeah I noticed their BGP session with PIPE IX went down this morning.
>>
>>
>>Neighbor        V          AS MsgRcvd MsgSent   TblVer  InQ OutQ
Up/Down  State/PfxRcd
>>218.100.2.45 4       4826  861066  916856        0    0    0 08:49:47
Active -Brad
>>On 7/11/2012 7:35 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:
>>
>>Has anyone else noticed that VOCUS traffic has disappeared from the
PIPE-IXes?
>>> 
>>>Anyone know what's going on?
>>> 
>>>-S
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