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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is very interesting to watch across the ditch, Certainly reinforces the argument for having IX’s operated by neutral entities. At least in the issue of Vocus being removed from the PIPE IX<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'>--</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'>Tristram Cheer</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'>Network Architect</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> - </span><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D;background:white'>Most problems are the result of previous solutions...</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'><img width=192 height=79 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CDBDA7.E2CA4FB0" alt="Description: C:\Users\tristramc\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\Uber Simple (Tristram Cheer)-Image01.jpg"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'>Tel. 09 438 5472 Ext 803 | Mobile. 022 412 1985 | PO Box 5083, Whangarei, 0140</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'><br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'><a href="mailto:tristram.cheer@ubergroup.co.nz" title="Click to send email to Tristram Cheer"><span style='color:#7D7D7D'>tristram.cheer@ubergroup.co.nz</span></a> |<a href="http://www.ubergroup.co.nz" title=""><span style='color:#7D7D7D'>www.ubergroup.co.nz</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://ubergroup.co.nz/fb"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=40 height=40 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image002.png@01CDBDA7.E2CA4FB0" alt="Description: C:\Users\tristramc\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\Uber Simple (Tristram Cheer)-Image02.png"></span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7D7D7D'> </span><a href="https://twitter.com/#!/ubergroupltd"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=40 height=40 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image003.png@01CDBDA7.E2CA4FB0" alt="Description: C:\Users\tristramc\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\Uber Simple (Tristram Cheer)-Image03.png"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:41 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Mark Smith<br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Optus and Telstra are clearly competitors too... so are Nextgen and a pile of others.... but you don't see Pipe playing games with them - because only they would lose out.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't know the reasons why Pipe chose this path yet, but I'd like to... The community has been seriously inconvenienced by this bullshit.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any player (not just Pipe... AAPT went through this) who plays with the industry like this will find themselves in serious issues as providers will just abandon them in droves. AAPT is only just clawing back some of their wholesale business are being stupid to deal with for a long time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pipe is an awesome asset, I just hope it is treated well, but in the end it is David Teoh's toy to destroy if he likes.<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellego.net/" target="_blank">www.eintellego.net</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Phone: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellego" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellego</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://eintellego.net/sig/logo.png"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco – IBM - Brocade - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>-----</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Check out our Juniper promotion website for Oct/Nov! </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://eintellego.mx/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>eintellego.mx</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Free Apple products during this promotion!!! </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Why are you surprised? I think it is more surprising that Pipe accommodated (in a variety of ways) Vocus for as long as they did, since they're clearly competitors. Pipe (or any commercial company) have no obligation to help out their competitors, unless it is mandated by the government, or there is a mutual benefit.<br><br>This is probably also a good thing for Vocus, as it will cause them to reduce their dependency on somebody who considers them to be a threat.<br><br>Pipe IXes may be good places to peer, but if they become less so, other parties will likely step in to take their place.<br><br><br><br><br>>________________________________<br>> From: Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellego.net">skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net</a>><br>>To: "<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>>Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 12:30 AM<br>>Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missing from PIPE-IX?<br>><br>><br>>All,<br>><br>><br>>Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with Vocus and Pipe?<br>><br>><br>>I know Pipe has evicted Vocus from most or all of its co-location facilities... <br>><br>><br>>I don't like seeing bullshit going on in this industry when we're all just trying to get a job done. This is the sort of thing that eventually affects the players downstream and in the end no-one really benefits by big players having a fight.<br>><br>><br>>Who is pissed at who for what is the question?<br>><br>><br>>...Skeeve<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd<br>><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellego.netPhone">www.eintellego.netPhone</a>: 1300 753 383; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<br>><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellego" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellego</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <br>><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a><br>><br>><br>The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>>Juniper - Cisco – IBM - Brocade - Cloud<br>>-----<br>>Check out our Juniper promotion website for Oct/Nov! <a href="http://eintellego.mx" target="_blank">eintellego.mx</a><br>>Free Apple products during this promotion!!! <br>><br>><br>><br>>On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Brad Evans <<a href="mailto:brad@delion.com.au">brad@delion.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>Yeah I noticed their BGP session with PIPE IX went down this morning.<br>>><br>>><br>>>Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd<br>>>218.100.2.45 4 4826 861066 916856 0 0 0 08:49:47 Active -Brad<br>>>On 7/11/2012 7:35 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:<br>>><br>>>Has anyone else noticed that VOCUS traffic has disappeared from the PIPE-IXes?<br>>>> <br>>>>Anyone know what’s going on?<br>>>> <br>>>>-S<br>>>> <br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>>><br>>>_______________________________________________<br>>>AusNOG mailing list<br>>><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>>><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>AusNOG mailing list<br>><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>><br>><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>