[AusNOG] Server BW limits

Sun Aug 26 18:29:53 EST 2012

Good,  along the lines I was thinking as well. but the problem I see.

Currently the norm is 100mbit in Aus, and buying transit from different
providers (AAPT, Nextgen, Exetel, Vocus etc), the price  ranges from $2500-
$8000+ for 100mbit

Soon we will have NBN residential customers saturating 100mbit links,  can't
wait to get my hands on it as a residential consumer. but as a MSP not
looking forward to it

I cant see providers  (AAPT, Nextgen, Exetel, Vocus etc),  automatically
saying OK we will upgrade you to 1Gbit for the same price you are paying for
100mbit currently 

and at the same time I cant see providers offering the 100mbit for $250-
$800+ 

maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, happy for someone to shed some
more light on this  ?

sorry Simon, if I am taking it abit of topic J

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Joshua D'Alton
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2012 5:20 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Server BW limits

It will fall when content providers who peer with most of the other ISPs
have their transit links saturated and customers at the big 4 (mostly
telstra and optus) want to improve their speeds. Currently that isn't really
happening because said providers can afford to pay to keep the transit links
below 80%.

NBN will be interesting, it probably won't make much difference to domestic
transit unless through economies of scale, the real problem is the last mile
price which currently without NBN means being reamed by one of the big 4
even just for backhaul let alone the copper or port pricing depending on how
much gear/networking an ISP has.

If there was a little more cooperation amongst the top 10 non-gang-of-4 they
could probably do something about it. Or if the government just stepped in
and told them to stop being assholes :D

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Zone Networks - Joel
<joel at zonenetworks.com.au> wrote:

I cant see how the gang of 4 will allow transit price to fall domestically
for it to even come close to US pricing, EU pricing is even cheaper than US

Yes I agree the transit pricing has fallen in the past 2-3 years, but to my
"limited" knowledge it was due to competition for international links that
saw price reduction on southern cross

Can someone "pls explain" how we can see domestic transit price falling even
with the help of NBN  ?

Regards

Joel

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Joshua D'Alton
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2012 3:24 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Server BW limits

Well the thing is OP was talking about fairly significant amounts of
bandwidth. Even were it not to be latency related, using AWS at those levels
will be quite expensive. 1TB of bandwidth from EC2 is for example between
$100 and $200 depending on location etc. So for someone in Australia to be
wanting to do that level of bandwidth, $100-200/TB is quite a lot for a
dedicated service vs elastic.

There doesn't seem to be any business willing to step up and provide a
service instead of just profiteering, not yet anyway..

With NBN possibly coming, the first to work out how and to start servicing
Aussies (and NZers) at reasonable prices, will be doing everyone a service.
With inter-city cap dropping to $10/Mbit it is easily possible to be selling
1:1 uncontended 1TB for $50 and be making more than enough money. Here's to
the future!

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Tim March <march.tim at gmail.com> wrote:

On 26/08/12 10:57 AM, Noel Butler wrote:

Hell, the U.S. even pays less than half what we pay for power per kwH (9-13c
that I know of, probably some even less), everything in AU is an utter rip
off, and once businesses figure out the impact of the latest
how-do-we-fuck-aussies-up-more tax, errr I mean carbon tax, which may take
most SMB 6 months or so to decisively work out its impact, direct and
indirect, so they can justify price increases to the wankers in govt who
want to try threaten them for trying to survive - costs will likely rise
further again

I recently reviewed a facility space quote on behalf of a customer that
included a 'Carbon Tax Supplement' of $54.00 per cabinet. From memory it
included ~ 2kW of power with additional 1kW blocks running up ~ $850ea.
Adding in the $1,675 base price per cabinet means you're then looking at
$3,239 for a standard 3.84kW cabinet before you even think about putting
data services in it.

Unless I need some serious grunt (eg. cabinets stacked 3 deep with 16-slot
blade enclosures) that absolutely has to be on shore it just makes more
sense to use providers like EC2 for most applications.

2c.

T.
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