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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good, along the lines I was thinking as well… but the problem I see…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Currently the norm is 100mbit in Aus, and buying transit from different providers (AAPT, Nextgen, Exetel, Vocus etc), the price ranges from $2500- $8000+ for 100mbit<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Soon we will have NBN residential customers saturating 100mbit links, can’t wait to get my hands on it as a residential consumer… but as a MSP not looking forward to it<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I cant see providers (AAPT, Nextgen, Exetel, Vocus etc), automatically saying OK we will upgrade you to 1Gbit for the same price you are paying for 100mbit currently <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>and at the same time I cant see providers offering the 100mbit for $250- $800+ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, happy for someone to shed some more light on this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sorry Simon, if I am taking it abit of topic </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua D'Alton<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 26 August 2012 5:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Server BW limits<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It will fall when content providers who peer with most of the other ISPs have their transit links saturated and customers at the big 4 (mostly telstra and optus) want to improve their speeds. Currently that isn't really happening because said providers can afford to pay to keep the transit links below 80%.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NBN will be interesting, it probably won't make much difference to domestic transit unless through economies of scale, the real problem is the last mile price which currently without NBN means being reamed by one of the big 4 even just for backhaul let alone the copper or port pricing depending on how much gear/networking an ISP has.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>If there was a little more cooperation amongst the top 10 non-gang-of-4 they could probably do something about it. Or if the government just stepped in and told them to stop being assholes :D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Zone Networks - Joel <<a href="mailto:joel@zonenetworks.com.au" target="_blank">joel@zonenetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I cant see how the gang of 4 will allow transit price to fall domestically for it to even come close to US pricing, EU pricing is even cheaper than US</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes I agree the transit pricing has fallen in the past 2-3 years, but to my “limited” knowledge it was due to competition for international links that saw price reduction on southern cross</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can someone “pls explain” how we can see domestic transit price falling even with the help of NBN ?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua D'Alton<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 26 August 2012 3:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Server BW limits</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Well the thing is OP was talking about fairly significant amounts of bandwidth. Even were it not to be latency related, using AWS at those levels will be quite expensive. 1TB of bandwidth from EC2 is for example between $100 and $200 depending on location etc. So for someone in Australia to be wanting to do that level of bandwidth, $100-200/TB is quite a lot for a dedicated service vs elastic.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There doesn't seem to be any business willing to step up and provide a service instead of just profiteering, not yet anyway..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>With NBN possibly coming, the first to work out how and to start servicing Aussies (and NZers) at reasonable prices, will be doing everyone a service. With inter-city cap dropping to $10/Mbit it is easily possible to be selling 1:1 uncontended 1TB for $50 and be making more than enough money. Here's to the future!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Tim March <<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com" target="_blank">march.tim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>On 26/08/12 10:57 AM, Noel Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hell, the U.S. even pays less than half what we pay for power per kwH (9-13c that I know of, probably some even less), everything in AU is an utter rip off, and once businesses figure out the impact of the latest how-do-we-fuck-aussies-up-more tax, errr I mean carbon tax, which may take most SMB 6 months or so to decisively work out its impact, direct and indirect, so they can justify price increases to the wankers in govt who want to try threaten them for trying to survive - costs will likely rise further again<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I recently reviewed a facility space quote on behalf of a customer that included a 'Carbon Tax Supplement' of $54.00 per cabinet. From memory it included ~ 2kW of power with additional 1kW blocks running up ~ $850ea. Adding in the $1,675 base price per cabinet means you're then looking at $3,239 for a standard 3.84kW cabinet before you even think about putting data services in it.<br><br>Unless I need some serious grunt (eg. cabinets stacked 3 deep with 16-slot blade enclosures) that absolutely has to be on shore it just makes more sense to use providers like EC2 for most applications.<br><br>2c.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br><br><br>T.<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>