[AusNOG] [off-topic] Samsung Galaxy S

[Mark Smith]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:00:51 +1100
Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net> wrote:

> Phil,
> 
> It's the holidays... clearly it is of interest...

only to no more than about 6 people ...

> it is in the Subject as 'off-topic', so just don't read it mate.
> 

"[off-topic]" in the subject line isn't an excuse to then say what you
like. Having to add it into a subject line should be a sign that you
should find a more appropriate forum - Whirlpool has plenty of
discussion areas for mobile phones for example. Not only will you avoid
annoying people don't don't even want to have to filter out "off-topic"
subject lines, you'll also have a far greater audience of people with
useful opinions and experiences. It's a win-win for everybody involved
(i.e. those now not involved unnecessarily)

> Traffic is low, so just relax.  You are also not the moderator... if they have an issue, I am sure they will say something.
> 

People are supposed to be self moderating according to the charter
they've accepted before they post, not "try it on" and only stopping
if they're reprimanded. That's like saying there is nothing wrong
with committing crimes until or unless you get caught. Society wouldn't
function very well if people didn't respect the law even when they're
not under police supervision.

> ...Skeeve
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> > bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Phil Pierotti
> > Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 8:58 PM
> > To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [off-topic] Samsung Galaxy S
> >
> > Enough Already!
> >
> > I am going to say it, because clearly the sensible ones have all
> > managed to "have annual leave" at this time and are not checking their
> > emails.
> >
> > If you KNEW well enough that the topic you wanted to open for
> > discussion was OFF TOPIC enough that you needed to say it in the
> > subject, they CLEARLY you knew that THIS is NOT the appropriate forum
> > for discussing said TOPIC.
> >
> > At what point does this mailing list become 99% "OFF TOPIC - but my cat
> > is pregnant and I dunno what to do - no seriously my cat has a WIFI
> > CHIP so it's OPERATIONAL" and 1% *anything* to do with networking.
> >
> > Sure "smartphones have network access" these days, but the VAST and
> > OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of this recent thread have NOT been ANYTHING to
> > do with Australian Network Operations. (sorry guys, I'll suggest that
> > mobile networks is some other mailing list).
> >
> > Think before you click, or people will realise that your phone is
> > smarter than you are.
> >
> > Phil P
> > ________________________________________
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net]
> > On Behalf Of Ryan Verner [ryan at uanywhere.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 12:11 PM
> > To: James Hodgkinson
> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [off-topic] Samsung Galaxy S
> >
> > On 30/12/2010, at 19:47 , James Hodgkinson wrote:
> > > I guess the question I have is... How reversible are things like the
> > voodoo fix et al? I don't mind my phone but it would be hard to turn
> > down an opportunity at getting more battery life and less application
> > related lag...
> >
> > Very reversible; installation is a ridiculously simple procedure of
> > putting a zip file onto the phone, and rebooting it holding down a few
> > buttons and selecting an option.  You do exactly the same thing to
> > reverse it.
> >
> > On 31/12/2010, at 24:22 , Kai wrote:
> > > I got to to the "Kies update" window in the guide they have, nowhere
> > > does it mention that the update is around 80meg...but anyway, it
> > > downloads version 1.5.3.10103_102, dunno if that's any different to
> > what
> > > anyone else has but I hope it makes a difference.
> >
> > Is the latest update the absolute latest firmware from the
> > manufacturer, or is it Virgin's latest firmware for the phone?  Don't
> > underestimate carriers abilities to completely fsck up phones via
> > stupid customisations on outdated firmware :-/
> >
> > Tried flashing a generic firmware?  (That said, I'm kind of with the
> > previous comments that this kind of stuffing around shouldn't be
> > necessary).
> >
> > > One thing I don't like about all these Android devices though, they
> > all
> > > require a GMail account to sync, even basic stuff like calendar's
> > aren't
> > > avaiable unless you sync. Google already has enough search info, they
> > > don't ALSO need my calender, contacts and everything else!
> >
> > I held off buying an Android phone for ages because I thought this, but
> > this isn't true; I sync everything happily with my Exchange server, and
> > I'm fairly sure the local calendar works without a Gmail account.  I
> > have one attached to the phone, but it is used for very little.
> >
> > R
> >
> > > Anyway, finished the guide at that URL, doesn't get me any further
> > than
> > > where I already am - with a phone that's currently only really useful
> > as
> > > a paperweight, so, time to call Virgin tomorrow and see what they
> > will do.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Kai
> >
> >
> > > On 30/12/2010 5:52 PM, "Joe Cozzupoli" <cozzupj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Kai,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but I would definitely go for
> > the
> > > > Nexus S
> > > >
> > > > http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s>If you look around
> > online, you
> > > > would be able to buy it outright for around $800AUD. The benefits
> > of this is
> > > > that firmware upgrades go to you straight away, unlike HTC or
> > > > other manufacturer Android phones where they have to brand the
> > firmware
> > > > upgrade before pushing it out.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I've been using the BlackBerry 9780 for a month now, its
> > great. Runs
> > > > OS6 so all nice and clean and bug free (so far).
> > > >
> > > > Just something else to consider.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Joe Cozzupoli.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Kai <vk6ksj at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Ryan,
> > > >>
> > > >> I visited our only Telstra shop today, they're a franchise but
> > they have
> > > >> the HTC Desire, Nokia N8 and Samsung Galaxy S (2.1-update
> > firmware) and
> > > >> they said they've sold quite a few Samsung's with absolutely no
> > problem,
> > > >> so I showed the sales rep mine, he played with it for a bit,
> > > >> acknowledged it is slow but that he hasn't seen any issues with
> > the
> > > >> one's they've sold.
> > > >>
> > > >> My phone's spec:
> > > >> Model GT-I9000
> > > >> Firmware 2.2
> > > >> Baseband version: I9000DTJP3
> > > >> Kernel: 2.6.32.9
> > > >> Build: FROYO.DTJP5
> > > >>
> > > >> I note Telstra's phone has 2.1-update firmware, mine has 2.2 but
> > runs
> > > >> really badly.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't want to root my phone, shouldn't need to when it's only
> > three
> > > >> months old, but I'll read some more about the voodoo fix.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's 3pm here, Sydney is three hours ahead of us, I'll ring Virgin
> > > >> tomorrow, try to talk to the front line customer service staff and
> > see
> > > >> if I can get anywhere...
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >> Kai
> > > >>
> > > >> On 30/12/10 14:43, Ryan Verner wrote:
> > > >> > I'm extremely surprised by the opinions here; I own a I9000T
> > (Telstra
> > > >> branded model), and I love the phone - I'm a hopeless gadget geek
> > who seems
> > > >> to regularly change phones. I don't intend on changing this
> > handset for
> > > >> some time.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I had read about the issues people were having (terrible battery
> > life,
> > > >> GPS, reboots, lag), but I'm having none of them with the base 2.1
> > Telstra
> > > >> ROM and voodoo fix; average battery life of 1-2 days (screen
> > brightness
> > > >> lowest, Exchange sync on, sync everything else turned off), GPS
> > works
> > > >> flawlessly, unit is always responsive.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Battery life definitely could be better, but several HTC
> > handsets I
> > > >> tested were worse; seems to be the achilles heel of Android phones
> > in
> > > >> general currently.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I've always pondered whether the Telstra firmware had a bunch of
> > > >> manufacturer fixes the Optus branded ones didn't have; the build
> > date on the
> > > >> shipped ROM is very recent ('2.1-update').
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have you guys tried updating to 2.2? Maybe the issue is the
> > shipping
> > > >> firmware on the Optus handsets is total junk?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > R
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 29/12/2010, at 20:33 , Kai wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hahaa, I'm on two year contract with the Galaxy S, I can't just
> > throw it
> > > >> >> out, even though I'd love to. I read Andrew Fort's email, I
> > found the
> > > >> >> only spot in the house with good enough reception for data
> > connection (I
> > > >> >> -think- it's the best spot..but the signal meter on this phone
> > isn't
> > > >> >> reliable anymore) and downloading ROM Manager, then I'll try
> > step 2 and
> > > >> >> fingers crossed that works 'cause it's gunna suck if I'm
> > contracted to
> > > >> >> this phone for another year and nine months :S
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> My VirginMobile plan is good but this phone sux balls!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> So why'd I get one? well, my old Nokia was dying, needed a
> > replacement,
> > > >> >> thought I'd give smartphones a go since it allows me to check
> > weather
> > > >> >> radar and stuff when I'm storm chasing, didn't want an iPhone,
> > figured
> > > >> >> I'd try the Samsung... and my old Nokia got stolen about a
> > month after I
> > > >> >> got the Samsung.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I've been using Nokia for the last eight years, first time I've
> > used
> > > >> >> Samsung hasn't left a good taste in my mouth!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Cheers
> > > >> >> Kai
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 29/12/10 17:36, Darren Moss wrote:
> > > >> >>> Yep, that looks just like mine.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Go buy one and junk the other thing.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Spend less time getting the thing to work and more time
> > actually using
> > > >> it.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Sounds like an ad.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> :)
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Regards,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Darren Moss
> > > >> >>> General Manager
> > > >> >>> Australia and New Zealand
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> em3 People and Technology, Managed Technology Experts.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> [p] 1300 131 083 extension 105 [f] 03 9017 2287
> > > >> >>> [e] Darren.Moss at em3.com.au [w] www.em3.com.au
> > > >> >>> PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC 3189
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> New Zealand Airedale Street, Auckland City
> > > >> >>> [p] 0800 888 285 [f] 09 887 0273
> > > >> >>> PO Box 39573, Howick 2045
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> > > >> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Kai
> > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 8:33 PM
> > > >> >>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > > >> >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [off-topic] Samsung Galaxy S
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Hey Darren,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Hahahaaa, for some reason I was expecting at least some
> > reassuring
> > > >> >>> feedback that there's a fix for all this. In all the browsing
> > I've done
> > > >> >>> in the last month I can't find one reliable resolution for
> > this bloody
> > > >> >>> phone.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I don't wanna jailbreak/root it, that'll void the warranty,
> > I'm tempted
> > > >> >>> to ask Virgin for an exchange with Nokia N8 or maybe HTC but
> > the
> > > >> >>> likelihood they'll actually exchange it is 0, none or bugger
> > all.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> My Kies CD and Samsung data cable got stolen when my car got
> > broken
> > > >> into
> > > >> >>> in Darwin, I've been trying to get the phone to behave itself
> > on
> > > >> >>> Bluetooth but either the machine doesn't want to talk to the
> > phone or
> > > >> >>> vice versa 'cause they can see each other, but they can't pair
> > and Kies
> > > >> >>> tells me there are no Bluetooth devices available. FFS.
> > Anyway, I'm
> > > >> back
> > > >> >>> in Broome and managed to find the USB cable that fits the
> > Samsung,
> > > >> >>> downloaded and installed Kies, backed up, upgraded
> > firmware....but yep,
> > > >> >>> still crashes randomly, email doesn't know if it's coming or
> > going, and
> > > >> >>> recently it says it can't send sms until a service is
> > available even
> > > >> >>> though I have four signal bars displaying. Keh?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I think I've got a snowflakes chance in hell to get a
> > replacement,
> > > >> >>> Virgin customer service staff are 99% outsourced, and with no
> > offence
> > > >> to
> > > >> >>> outsourced staff, if it's not in their script they don't know
> > what to
> > > >> do
> > > >> >>> so I end up on hold for ages, like I did last weekend.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I used my cousins Nokia N8 on the weekend, it looked ok but
> > then again
> > > >> >>> anything would look ok compared to the Galaxy S. That said, I
> > asked on
> > > >> >>> another mailing list and one user replied she's got hers last
> > month and
> > > >> >>> she loves it, hehe, lucky her, mine sux!
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> You like the BB Torch9800?
> > > >> >>> http://us.blackberry.com/smartphones/blackberrytorch/
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> It has a REAL keypad, I like it already :P what are the screen
> > > >> dimensions?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Cheers
> > > >> >>> Kai
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> On 29/12/10 17:13, Darren Moss wrote:
> > > >> >>>> Hey Kai,
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> If I had a dollar for every complaint we've received
> > regarding the
> > > >> Samsung Galaxy phone......
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> We've had a few of these connected up on our Hosted Exchange
> > platform
> > > >> and the customers have the same complaints:
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> 1. Poor battery life (number 1 problem - lucky to get 8
> > hours)
> > > >> >>>> 2. Crashing and hanging
> > > >> >>>> 3. Phone restarts at random
> > > >> >>>> 4. Slow to pick up mail (even when in push mode)
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> We fixed some with Voda via firmware upgrade, but the bottom
> > line was
> > > >> they were just too painful.
> > > >> >>>> There were too many "issues" and we couldn't get any real
> > information
> > > >> from the telco or the vendor - similar to the old Nokia e75
> > handsets which
> > > >> were a disaster.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> I thought that the handset could not possibly be that bad, so
> > I bought
> > > >> one in November. It's sitting in a box at my Melbourne office
> > after 1 week
> > > >> of use. Even the staff didn't want it after hearing my
> > complaining.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Now I have a BB Torch - the best handset I have ever owned
> > without a
> > > >> doubt (upgraded from BB Bold). It actually works, is fast and
> > reliable.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> HTH.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Regards,
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Darren Moss
> > > >> >>>> General Manager
> > > >> >>>> Australia and New Zealand
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> em3 People and Technology, Managed Technology Experts.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> [p] 1300 131 083 extension 105 [f] 03 9017 2287
> > > >> >>>> [e] Darren.Moss at em3.com.au [w] www.em3.com.au
> > > >> >>>> PO Box 2333, Moorabbin VIC 3189
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> New Zealand Airedale Street, Auckland City
> > > >> >>>> [p] 0800 888 285 [f] 09 887 0273
> > > >> >>>> PO Box 39573, Howick 2045
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> > > >> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Kai
> > > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 8:02 PM
> > > >> >>>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > > >> >>>> Subject: [AusNOG] [off-topic] Samsung Galaxy S
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Hi guys and girls,
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> I hope you all had a great Christmas, I did! No prezzies,
> > well no
> > > >> >>>> conventional prezzies, I had time with my family/friends for
> > > >> Christmas,
> > > >> >>>> that's all I wanted! :)
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Sorry for the off-topic post, I wanted to ask everyone's
> > valued
> > > >> opinions
> > > >> >>>> but feel free to reply off list with feedback.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Last Monday Broome's Optus repeater had issues and they had
> > to get
> > > >> parts
> > > >> >>>> up from Perth (thanks to Chris Brown for the info),
> > coincidentally
> > > >> >>>> that's also when my Samsung decided to play silly buggers. I
> > initially
> > > >> >>>> thought there may be issues with Optus Broome repeater here
> > because I
> > > >> >>>> have fluctuating signal strength meter readings when standing
> > under
> > > >> the
> > > >> >>>> Optus repeater here, but, overall, the most annoying thing is
> > random
> > > >> >>>> black screens and general slow performance.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Similar to the trouble this lady is having:
> > > >> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Problems are intermittant enough to be annoying, ie I can't
> > reproduce
> > > >> on
> > > >> >>>> cue but my phone is less than three months old, I expect it
> > to work. I
> > > >> >>>> backed up my contacts and did a firmware upgrade last week,
> > still
> > > >> >>>> doesn't work properley.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Anyone got similar issues?
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> In case anyone does have similar issues my details are:
> > > >> >>>> Model GT-I9000
> > > >> >>>> Firmware 2.2
> > > >> >>>> Baseband version: I9000DTJP3
> > > >> >>>> Kernel: 2.6.32.9
> > > >> >>>> Build: FROYO.DTJP5
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> I am with VirginMobile, they use Optus mobile network.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Cheers
> > > >> >>>> Kai
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