[AusNOG] "Sewer broadband provider dumped" - Brisbane fibre plan scrapped

[James Spenceley]

simply put

line speed at the cost of incentive to use that line is a sad step 'forward'

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James



On 23/02/2011, at 4:07 PM, Bevan Slattery wrote:

> From: Matthew Moyle-Croft [mailto:mmc at internode.com.au] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2011 2:13 PM
> To: Bevan Slattery
> Cc: Damien Morris; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "Sewer broadband provider dumped" - Brisbane fibre plan scrapped
>  
> A few comments:
>  
> - Cost to access a customer is either $17/month for ULL or it's ~$30ish as you need LSS and wholesale line rental.
>  
> Cost is $6.50 for Band 1 or $16.00 for band 2.  Even if I took your price of $17 you are looking at a rate of $25 for copper limited bandwidth from home to PoP.  Under a 1TB of data transferred (excluding IP) this would equate to $25-v-$85 (or worse case including a $10/Mbps backhaul charge $115)
>  
> - DF is only available to a subset of the exchanges of people covered by the NBN.  So, you then need to start averaging the wholesale costs for the areas NOT covered.
>  
> Firstly, I said that was to the majority of metro exchanges which is entirely accurate.  Secondly the “subset” of metro is a majority or metro.  By some research I did at PIPE 2 years ago we had DF to exchanges that covered over 6 million people.  From recollection a further 50 (large) exchanges have been installed since then.  Add to that that AMCOM, ESTA etc. in WA and SA I would expect DF to be available to almost 8 million people.  If you read the AGM presentations by companies like iiNet and TPG you will note their “on-net” customer base is higher than their “off-net”.  The vast majority of these are fed by dark fibre.
>  
> You are worried about a tinkering of a $5/month delta on ULL (which I am happy to take an average approach including some Band 3 regionals) but don’t have an issue with the extra $60/month for NBN?  Huh?
>  
> So, it's easy to create a bit of strawman about what the best-case is for this, but this doesn't represent the average cost.
>  
> No strawman, just stating economic fact.  Pushing out a NBN press release with a view to keeping the “headline” wholesale price down to $25/user based upon a user contention ratio of 1:250 on a 12Mb/s (average 48Kbps over a month) service is just amazing.  That’s the same bandwidth as getting unlimited dial-up.  Why didn’t they have a table showing costs under a variety of plans?
>  
> The silence on the NBN pricing is deafening.  Here’s a little bit of irony.  International bandwidth pricing without competition was around $300/Mbps 3 years ago.  With competition it’s now $35/Mbps.  Within the next 12 months it will be cheaper to get bandwidth from Iraq (Internet) to Sydney than from a the house next door to the PoI to the PoI.  Sorry – that’s a bit extreme (but true).  I should have said in 12 months it will be cheaper to get bandwidth (transit) from anywhere in the world to Sydney, than from anywhere in the PoI to the PoI.
>  
> Who’s clutching at straws?
>  
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