[AusNOG] Katter backs Coalition - Windsor backs Gillard

[Mark Smith]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:33:45 +0000
roland at chan.id.au wrote:

> We can only hope that competitive pressures change that scenario. Who amongst us would have predicted unlimited plans at reasonable prices 10 years a go?
> 

They might be "unlimited" quota, but I doubt they're sustainable
without traffic throttling devices. I don't necessarily have a problem
with that, however my definition of "unlimited" is you're buying a pipe
size, with no throttling of certain applications, and if you choose to
fill it 24 x 7, or not, is up to you. That's how the Internet was
in the early to mid nineties, and according to "Routing In the Internet"
by Christan Huitema (ex-IAB member and chair), that was the original
expected charging model of the Internet (which is why TCP doesn't
hesitate to retransmit if there is any packet loss - because packets
transferred and their payload aren't the charge unit)

I'm guessing people will disagree with my definition, which I think is
actually endorsing my position - they're agreeing that it isn't
possible to have the customers access link bandwidth be the only
bottleneck that controls the customer's impact on the rest of the
network.

It seems the common minimum threshold of these giant quota plans is
around 1TB per month. That is around 3Mbps constant load, so I'd find it
interesting to see if the "quota chasers" would be willing to trade
speed for quota and no throttling - rate limits on their ATM 8/34 PVC
would do the trick.


> If there's a gap in the market and real demand, someone will exploit it and make a killing.
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bevan Slattery" <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>
> Sender: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:35:50 
> To: Paul Brooks<pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
> Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Katter backs Coalition - Windsor backs Gillard
> 
> Paul,
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Brooks [mailto:pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au]
> > It gives a signal to people with generally low incomes that
> entry-level 128 and
> > 256
> > kbps upstream is not sufficient
> 
> Not wanting to stir things up too much here :)  But people with low
> incomes can access ADSL2+ speeds for the same price as any other speed
> at any exchange with competitive carrier infrastructure.  They can get
> any retail plan for just under $30 inc gst.  $30 (ex gst) which from all
> accounts will possibly be the minimum *wholesale* cost for a
> 12Mbps/1Mbps upstream on the NBN.
> 
> I fear that  low income people will be even financially further away
> from their needed speed of 512/512Kbps.    You should join the AAB mate!
> ;)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [b]
> 
> 
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