[AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN

Mon May 31 06:19:40 EST 2010

Skeeve,

Agree about the ISPs. I mentioned enterprises because I was (probably
naively) thinking that them ISPs don't need CNN articles to get things
moving.

Regards,

-- Dmitri

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net>wrote:

>  I am not talking about scaring people stiff...   I am suggesting more
> articles detailing just might happen if they don’t start doing something
> now.
>
>
>
> It isn’t too late today... a few months won’t be too late.... one year...
> yes... problems.
>
>
>
> I am not saying ipv4 will be disappearing in a puff of smoke... but this is
> AusNOG... mostly supposedly to have ISPs and carriers... those who really
> need to be thinking about IPv6 today... not in 6 months time.
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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>
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> NOC, NOC, who's there?
>
>
>
> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Dmitri Kalintsev
> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 May 2010 6:20 PM
>
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN
>
>
>
> Skeeve,
>
>
>
> I feel that a more effective tactic in getting enterprises over the line is
> not to scare them stiff but to help them with assessing the implications for
> their particular business.
>
>
>
> When people are scared with no obvious way to escape, a reaction is often
> that of denial. On other hand if they are shown a way to *correctly and
> effectively* assess the danger *they are in* (which will vary widely,
> depending on the nature of a particular business - IPv4 isn't exactly going
> to disappear in a puff of a smoke at the hell's bell's toll), then you will
> effectively help them to put together a business case to do the necessary
> movements.
>
>
>
> It is all about the money, by the end of the day.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -- Dmitri
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net>
> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> Last week on our stand at CeBIT I spent a lot of time talking to many
> people about what we do...and IPv6 came up a lot.
>
> The most frequent comments about IPv6 were:
>
> - What is it?
> - Is there really a need to look at it yet?
> - They didn't have any customers asking for it
> - We will be looking at it soon
> - Not many providers offer it
> - Telstra doesn't offer it - which means it isn't prime-time yet
>
> But the biggest comment was:
>
> - I know what it is, but I haven't heard much about it in the IT media, so
> we assume it isn't that important yet.
>
> Which is why I now have a stronger opinion that ANY article talking about
> IPv6 - informational, hype, doomsday-like - are good things.  And the more
> articles, the more 'alarmist' in nature - the better.
>
> Kevin, you'd rather show people the rewards and profits?  What profits?
> Apart from integration and selling people new hardware, there are no real
> profits in just 'having IPv6'.  Rewards?  The only reward is being in
> business in a couple of years time - the most important of all rewards - but
> you can't sell that.
>
> APNIC, ISOC-AU, IPv6NOW (in this region) and other organisations have taken
> this softly softly approach for far too long and where is IPv6 adoption at?
> It is terrible considering how close we are to the ipv4 run-out.
>
> This technology is critical to the Telco/carrier/isp/etc world continuing
> to operate... those who are responsible to handing out these recourses to
> the end users have, for the most part minus a few notables (such as
> Internode, Pipe), have made very little progress in deploying or making this
> technology widely available to the public/their customers.
>
> Looking into my crystal ball I do see a time a year or so from now where
> Telstra/Optus/iiNet and Internode will most likely be telling all their
> customers and the general public about IPv6... at least I hope so.  But I am
> wondering that if that will be soon enough considering the amount of
> resources required to train all the support staff in the technology.
>
> The only ISP that I know of - Internode - who is doing v6 prime-time, I
> assume has also internally trained a lot of their support staff.  Would
> Mark/Matthew or someone from Internode let us know where the company is with
> IPv6 knowledge amongst its front-line staff? (for curiosity and example
> purposes).
>
> Internode, 'wherever they are' would have to be at the cutting edge of v6
> awareness.... I hope. But my worry is that the other BIG ISPs in this
> country - Telstra, Optus, TPG, iiNET/Netspace, Exetel, Adam and others...
> how long will it take to get all their staff up to speed.... sales, support
> (including offshore), netops and so on.... and will it be done in time?
>
> The big thing I hear from ISPs and alike at conferences is that 'no one is
> asking for it'.  Well, if articles that hype the issue of IPv6 up, bring
> awareness and hopefully cause them to start asking their ISPs, Integrators,
> local computer stores, and so on... great.... because all the soft talking
> so far has done very little to help to cause.
>
> The time for softly softly is over. You (larger industry plural) have had
> your chance.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
> skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
> Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
> www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego
> --
> NOC, NOC, who's there?
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> > bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Karp
>
> > Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 12:24 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>
> > Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN
> >
> > Hi Skeeve
> >
> >  >Problem is... doomsday articles are sometimes the only way to
> > motivate
> > people.
> >
> > Really?
> > Surely self-interest is a far greater motivator. I don't think that you
> > can use self-preservation as a motivator in this instance (see below).
> > You have to show the rewards that are available that are otherwise
> > unachievable with the current regime.
> >
> > >I believe the impact of Y2K was minimalised due to peoples preparation
> > mostly due to the many
> > >  doomsday hype articles.
> >
> > The accompanying exaggeration (and subsequent self-enrichment) is part
> > of the reason why many
> > non-IT industry insiders are justifiably sceptical of doomsday messages
> > from the IT industry.
> >
> > And anyway the doomsday message is just not true.
> >
> > >  People are going to need something to move them to IPv6...
> > >  and I really don't care how it happens.  Scare the crap out of them
> > I say!
> >
> > I'd rather show people the rewards and the profits that are available.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Kevin
> >
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