[AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"

Wed May 19 11:28:27 EST 2010

Going back on topic...

I think it's a great thing that the article was published as there are 
still plenty of people NOT in the industry who don't even know that this 
change is coming.

It's certainly forseeable that I will be receiving calls in the close 
future from customers who will be skewing their faces when I start to 
read out an IPv6 address to them.

People need to be made aware and educated on the change because this is 
something that will affect everyone...big and small.

+10 internets to the publisher for an excellent article.

The whole debate on the correct grammer for 'internet' is a bit 
pointless really..at the end of the day.

..Andrew :)

On 19/05/10 11:03 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I find it amusing that people like Daniel here are talking about IPv6 
> as though there is still a time to have an opinion on whether IPv6 is 
> a good thing.
>
> As was the feeling at APNIC 29 in KL as well as the theme of the 2010 
> IPv6 Summit "You're Standing in it" -- IPv6 is HERE... it isn't 
> coming, it isn't a choice, it works now... do it or not be in business 
> in a couple of years (for carriers, ISPs, etc).
>
> IPv6 is no longer in the testing phases -- it is real... and if you 
> are an ISP and you aren't thinking about it right now... in a year you 
> are going to be screwed.
>
> It is going to take a good year for the ISP's to spread IPv6 knowledge 
> throughout an organisation -- Level 1 helpdesk, Sales, and indeed 
> management who may have to budget something to implement it properly.
>
> OK, so have an opinion on whether IPv6 is a good thing... but your 
> opinion doesn't matter in the end... You need to do it at some point, 
> or else.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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>
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>
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>
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> NOC, NOC, who's there?
>
> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Hood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:17 AM
> *To:* Bevan Slattery
> *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"
>
> Them "Internets" ain't going to die if we all start using capital I's. 
> It is however going to be come extremely address exhausted.
>
> What is the general opinion of people here on IPv6? In my opinion, I 
> welcome the move, because for one it means that these nounce kids 
> (such as myself) are going to have a lot more trouble "faking it" when 
> they attempt to get jobs well above there skill level running networks 
> they shouldn't be allowed near. I mean if you can't convert to hex you 
> can't really use IPv6 all that well. And that means these kids with 
> their Pass4Sure CCNA's and no real world experience won't be able to 
> hide underneath the radar of the 192.168.0.x subnet anymore.
>
> I also like the fact that instead of having to sparingly use my 8 home 
> IPs for a honeynet, test servers and production servers I can be a bit 
> more giving.
>
> And last but not least, that feature that allows the host to discover 
> default gateways looks pretty bad ass, I really want to have a good 
> play with that as well.
>
> Everyone else's thoughts?
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bevan Slattery 
> <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com 
> <mailto:Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>> wrote:
>
> Actually.  I did jump off half-cocked.  After reading the article
> (rather than just your post) she was perhaps intending it to be a proper
> noun (like a hotel name), so I'll take one for the team here.  However,
> if it wasn't used in the manner intended, then the rest would be fine.
> Sorry Scott.
>
> Ordinarily it's a pet peeve of mine when people correct me for not using
> capital "i".  At least I got to inject a clip of a couple of great shows
> being The IT Crowd or South Park :)
>
> Cheers
>
> [b]
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bevan Slattery
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:56 AM
> > To: Scott Howard; ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> > Subject: RE: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"
> >
> >
> >
> > > All up, it's enough to make you cringe (starting with the lack of a
> > > capital I in the subject, it goes downhill from there), but
> > there are
> > > some good quotes from Geoff Huston...
> >
>
> > Sheesh.  The thing that makes me cringe a bit is people who
> > still insist that internet should start with a capital "I".
> > As the Wikipedia entry found here
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio
>
> > ns acknowledges
>
> >
> > "Critics of the usage as a proper noun argue that other
> > things that are unique yet distributed, such as "the power
> > grid", "the telephone network", and even "the sky", are not
> > considered proper nouns, and are thus not capitalized. Since
> > at least 2002 it has been theorized that Internet has been
> > changing from a proper noun to a generic term.[4] Words for
> > new technologies, such as Phonograph in the 19th century, are
> > sometimes capitalized at first, later becoming
> > uncapitalized.[4] It was suggested as early as 1999 that
> > Internet might, like some other commonly used proper nouns,
> > lose its capital letter."
> >
> > You will note that the SMH along with the Economist,
> > Financial Times and the Guardian also use the non-capitalised version.
> >
> > IMHO to raise the 'internet' as proper noun fails to
> > acknowledge the work and investment by this exact industry to
> > make it generic or ubiquitous.  For me the same applies to
> > [E]ethernet.  If you want to use capitals, then go ahead.  If
> > you don't, don't.  But don't pick people up for using lower
> > case "i", because you'll be in the the same category as Jen
> > from the IT Crowd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
> > or those who doubted Kyle on South Park
> > http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192 :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > [b]
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