[AusNOG] Help with NBN questions.

[Daniel Hooper]

" I'm pretty sure the PIPE's, Internode's, IINET's, TPG's and the rest of us could have a damn good crack at some pretty serious network build-outs in hard to reach places with some serious government funding.
"

Haven't we seen this already with the Government's broadband guarantee project, broadband connect & HIBIS ?

Unfortunately the big boys didn't nibble, a bunch of dodgy fly by providers got going and soon sunk when they realised the OPEX to keep the show a float didn't exist from the 5 customers they sourced in remote area's.

-Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 3:46 PM
To: 'Bevan Slattery'; 'ausnog at ausnog.net'
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Help with NBN questions.

So..

Having an effective competitive advantage providing a monopoly isn't good enough for the NBN, they are actively seeking to squash genuine competition.

Isn't this in effect a super-monopoly, Anti-Competitive behaviour, designed specifically to CRUSH any competition?

How can this fly in Australia?

Bring on the NBN, sure, the more the merrier, but don't force us to use it.

Either get the NBN right, and everyone will use you, or move out of the way and let someone else have a crack at it NBN Co.

Don't toss all of your toys out of the cot if people decide to play with someone else, jeez!

I'd question who recommended the consultant who made the recommendation to get to the truth of the matter. Who's the puppet master who wants no competition?


The NBN money should be spent getting to the places where there ARE issues and a genuine lack of options, not overlapping the current well-serviced areas.

If anything, the NBN scheme should provide dollar-for-dollar incentives to carriers wishing to invest in hard to reach sites.

I'm pretty sure the PIPE's, Internode's, IINET's, TPG's and the rest of us could have a damn good crack at some pretty serious network build-outs in hard to reach places with some serious government funding.


</rant>

S

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 4:14 PM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Help with NBN questions.

Page 465

"Rather than either outright prohibition of competing networks, which
would reduce innovation and remove the discipline of competitive
pressure from NBN Co, or linking rates of return explicitly to those of
NBN Co, the simplest disincentive against cherry-picking would be to
impose a levy on cherry-pickers, payable to the Government, with
proceeds to be directed towards telecommunications subsidy programs".

The report seems to recommend that any carrier that risks their equity
and competes with NBN Co, should therefore expect to pay a higher
tax/levy (or Supertax) than ordinary (compliant) telcos.  A Telco
"supertax" as it were.

[b]





> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 3:18 PM
> To: Karl Kloppenborg; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Help with NBN questions.
> 
> 
> > 2) someone told me that anyone who competes with the NBN will face 
> > prosecution? does this mean anyone who builds a fibre 
> network (I just 
> > plainly don't know what to take with that)
> 
> Kind of.  The report suggests that if you 'cherry pick' and 
> rollout out services that compete within limited areas, then 
> they recommended to the government they should introduce a levy.
> 
> So, if Telstra were still under Government control and say a 
> fibre company like PIPE Networks decided there was a business 
> case to deliver competitive backhaul to say 200 exchanges, 
> the reports suggests the Government should levy said 
> commercial operator out of those markets.
> 
> So in essence, they are recommending that if the socialist 
> investment fails to be competitive in a market area (say 
> backhaul or FttP in areas already service by NBN 2.0), then 
> we should deem that to be 'cherry picking' and in order to 
> protect said socialist investment, the Government should have 
> the ability to introduce a levy or 'supertax' on any 
> telecommunications investment that competes with it, to make 
> sure that said competitive telco investment no longer makes 
> sense and the monopoly will retain it's position and be able 
> to continue to excert unparalleled market and legislative 
> power and if deemed appopriate, obtain monopoly rents from 
> Australian citizens and businesses.
> 
> Yep - I think I captured it succinctly.
> 
> [b]
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