[AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to broadband

Fri Jul 30 17:21:59 EST 2010

RE: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to broadband----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Curtis Bayne 

  At this stage, I don't know what to think: the Coalition will scrap the NBN if they return to power, the Labor government are hell-bent socializing the customer access network.

  So here I sit, on a Friday afternoon, with VC burning a hole in my pocket. The time to leverage that capital has long passed. The irony of the whole situation is if the government could give me any kind of regulatory certainty, I would've been trenching fibre into these businesses already, serving them up with 100Mbps/100Mbps (symmetric service, something NBNCo seems to think we don't need).

  Instead, because of this uncertainty, I've got customers sitting on the back of unlicensed wireless gear and some legacy Canopy, because realistically, I have to ensure that I amortize at least part of my investment before a government contractor trenches their single-mode disaster into my customers premises.

  To everyone I've offended: I'm sorry, I'm a capitalist pig. I've poured my heart and soul into providing a service that nobody else was willing to, to customers that nobody else seemed to care about **until there was a political agenda to do so**. If I wanted to reach other customers, I would get digging or rigging - and this is the way it should be.

  But then again, what does it matter: we're just a family-owned business who work hard to help our customers - what would the government care about us when there are swing voters to pander to!

  "Working families" my ass.

  I agree whole heartedly with you.   There are 3 types of people in this debate.  

  There are those 

  1.   like you and I and others that sign the front of the cheques 

  2.  and there are all those experts that sign the backs of the cheques 

  3.   and there are end users.  

  It is as simple as that.   Those that sign the front of the cheques (that is those capatilist bastards like you and I and others) need a reasonable degree of business certainty in which to make investment decisions.  Those in the back of the cheque category are in it for the money they can make out of it.  Then there are the end users who I wonder whether they really understand how much the NBN will cost them in the end.  As someone that has deployed FTTH I doubt it.     Mix all that together add a little (lot) of politics and you have the mess we have today. 

  Regards

  Tim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Brad Gould
  Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 4:17 PM
  To: ausnog at ausnog.net
  Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to broadband

  For better or worse, the government has decided to do something - and in
  a big way - like building a hyperspace bypass.

  Accepting that as fact - whats the best way to do it?

  Multiple truck rolls for individual buildings?  Low takeup and more
  inefficiency on a project that has very questionable economics in the
  first place?

  Given that the government is in charge of NBN, dont you expect them to
  *make* it work?

  Brad

  On 30/07/2010 15:18, Curtis Bayne wrote:
  > Ok, here comes my $0.022c worth (gst inc.)
  >
  > This "opt-out" model irks me. Deeply.
  >
  > I've spent the better part of a year coercing building management of
  > various buildings in my local area to let me put microwave gear on their
  > roof, run cabling to their tenant's demarcation points and generally do
  > good things for connectivity in an area that's been neglected by every
  > single other provider except Optus. How come NBNCo gets a free pass for
  > the "subscriber in building" requirement under the Telco Act?
  >
  > It seems that having a seemingly bottomless pit of taxpayer money isn't
  > enough to build a viable business case for NBNCo, they also need to be
  > above the law too...
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Matthew Moyle-Croft
  > Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 3:34 PM
  > To: Sean K. Finn
  > Cc: ausnog
  > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to broadband
  >
  > /me rolls eyes and hands Sean some Nanny-state filtering candy
  >
  > MMC
  >
  > On 30/07/2010, at 2:58 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:
  >
  >  > I'd just like to know who's responsibility it is to provide battery
  > backup for PSTN services now?
  >  >
  >  > UPS's in the home? How will most ppl ring the power utility if their
  > power goes out unexpectedly? (Yeah I know, mobile phones and provide
  > your own UPS's).
  >  >
  >  > Still..
  >  >
  >  > Loss of functionality here.
  >  >
  >  > -----Original Message-----
  >  > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
  > [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
  >  > Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010 2:05 PM
  >  > To: Kai
  >  > Cc: ausnog
  >  > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to broadband
  >  >
  >  > Kai,
  >  > Tasmania is being built by Opticomm (no secret, if you've been
  > following things). Aurora is providing backhaul (again, no secret). It
  > was done in a rush AFAIK but it's working and the fact that customers
  > are already being connected it's quite impressive what they've done.
  >  >
  >  > Given that the Govt. has done a deal with Telstra to move customers
  > across, then opt-out seems reasonable as Telstra, I assume, will be
  > moving all their customers across anyway. If someone does opt-out then
  > it's not clear what their options would be if Telstra are removing the Cu.
  >  >
  >  > MMC
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  > On 30/07/2010, at 1:27 PM, Kai wrote:
  >  >
  >  >> Labor to force people to connect to broadband
  >  >>
  > smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/labor-to-force-people-to-connect-to-broadband-20100730-10yi4.html
  >  >>
  >  >> So, if I have this correct, Conroy says:
  >  >>
  >  >> "The cynics, the doomsayers, claimed we were only going to get 10
  > per cent or 15 per cent [on the network]," he told ABC Radio.
  >  >>
  >  >> "We've already got 50 per cent signed up."
  >  >>
  >  >> That's 50% from three towns in Tasmania, that's like saying "since
  > 50% of Leonora, Wiluna and Laverton in WA have signed up that this is
  > gunna be awesome". Considering the infrastructure, or lack thereof, in
  > those towns, why wouldn't they say "yes"?!
  >  >>
  >  >> If it was actual figures after the whole country was rolled out and
  > he has 50%, that might be something to get excited about but even then,
  > it's opt-out AND it's only 50%, not really a good update percentage
  > considering how awesome it's supposed to be and what it will cost.
  >  >>
  >  >> Tasmania's getting connected, that's great, but, who's providing
  > backhaul and was that put to tender? or how was that decided? someone
  > wanna put me through to Conroy's office so I can talk to him
  > constructively? or at least try to? thanks
  >  >
  >
  >
  >
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