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<A title=curtis@bayne.com.au href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au">Curtis
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<P><FONT size=2>At this stage, I don't know what to think: the Coalition will
scrap the NBN if they return to power, the Labor government are hell-bent
socializing the customer access network.<BR><BR>So here I sit, on a Friday
afternoon, with VC burning a hole in my pocket. The time to leverage that
capital has long passed. The irony of the whole situation is if the government
could give me any kind of regulatory certainty, I would've been trenching
fibre into these businesses already, serving them up with 100Mbps/100Mbps
(symmetric service, something NBNCo seems to think we don't
need).<BR><BR>Instead, because of this uncertainty, I've got customers sitting
on the back of unlicensed wireless gear and some legacy Canopy, because
realistically, I have to ensure that I amortize at least part of my investment
before a government contractor trenches their single-mode disaster into my
customers premises.<BR><BR>To everyone I've offended: I'm sorry, I'm a
capitalist pig. I've poured my heart and soul into providing a service that
nobody else was willing to, to customers that nobody else seemed to care about
**until there was a political agenda to do so**. If I wanted to reach other
customers, I would get digging or rigging - and this is the way it should
be.<BR><BR>But then again, what does it matter: we're just a family-owned
business who work hard to help our customers - what would the government care
about us when there are swing voters to pander to!<BR><BR>"Working families"
my ass.<BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>I agree whole heartedly with you. There
are 3 types of people in this debate. </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>There are those </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>1. like you and I and others that sign the
front of the cheques </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>2. and there are all those experts that sign the
backs of the cheques </STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>3. and there are end users.
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<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>It is as simple as that. Those that sign
the front of the cheques (that is those capatilist bastards like you and I and
others) need a reasonable degree of business certainty in which to make
investment decisions. Those in the back of the cheque category are in it
for the money they can make out of it. Then there are the end users who
I wonder whether they really understand how much the NBN will cost them in the
end. As someone that has deployed FTTH I doubt
it. Mix all that together add a little (lot) of
politics and you have the mess we have today. </STRONG></P></FONT><FONT
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<DIV><STRONG>Regards<BR> <BR>Tim</STRONG></DIV>
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<P><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
on behalf of Brad Gould<BR>Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 4:17 PM<BR>To:
ausnog@ausnog.net<BR>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to
broadband<BR><BR>For better or worse, the government has decided to do
something - and in<BR>a big way - like building a hyperspace
bypass.<BR><BR>Accepting that as fact - whats the best way to do
it?<BR><BR>Multiple truck rolls for individual buildings? Low takeup and
more<BR>inefficiency on a project that has very questionable economics in
the<BR>first place?<BR><BR>Given that the government is in charge of NBN, dont
you expect them to<BR>*make* it
work?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Brad<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 30/07/2010 15:18, Curtis
Bayne wrote:<BR>> Ok, here comes my $0.022c worth (gst
inc.)<BR>><BR>> This "opt-out" model irks me. Deeply.<BR>><BR>>
I've spent the better part of a year coercing building management of<BR>>
various buildings in my local area to let me put microwave gear on
their<BR>> roof, run cabling to their tenant's demarcation points and
generally do<BR>> good things for connectivity in an area that's been
neglected by every<BR>> single other provider except Optus. How come NBNCo
gets a free pass for<BR>> the "subscriber in building" requirement under
the Telco Act?<BR>><BR>> It seems that having a seemingly bottomless pit
of taxpayer money isn't<BR>> enough to build a viable business case for
NBNCo, they also need to be<BR>> above the law
too...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net on behalf of
Matthew Moyle-Croft<BR>> Sent: Fri 7/30/2010 3:34 PM<BR>> To: Sean K.
Finn<BR>> Cc: ausnog<BR>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to
connect to broadband<BR>><BR>> /me rolls eyes and hands Sean some
Nanny-state filtering candy<BR>><BR>> MMC<BR>><BR>> On 30/07/2010,
at 2:58 PM, Sean K. Finn wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I'd just like to
know who's responsibility it is to provide battery<BR>> backup for PSTN
services now?<BR>> ><BR>> > UPS's in the home? How
will most ppl ring the power utility if their<BR>> power goes out
unexpectedly? (Yeah I know, mobile phones and provide<BR>> your own
UPS's).<BR>> ><BR>> > Still..<BR>>
><BR>> > Loss of functionality here.<BR>>
><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From:
ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net<BR>> [<A
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</A>]
On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft<BR>> > Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010
2:05 PM<BR>> > To: Kai<BR>> > Cc: ausnog<BR>>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Labor to force people to connect to
broadband<BR>> ><BR>> > Kai,<BR>> >
Tasmania is being built by Opticomm (no secret, if you've been<BR>>
following things). Aurora is providing backhaul (again, no secret). It<BR>>
was done in a rush AFAIK but it's working and the fact that customers<BR>>
are already being connected it's quite impressive what they've
done.<BR>> ><BR>> > Given that the Govt. has done a
deal with Telstra to move customers<BR>> across, then opt-out seems
reasonable as Telstra, I assume, will be<BR>> moving all their customers
across anyway. If someone does opt-out then<BR>> it's not clear what their
options would be if Telstra are removing the Cu.<BR>>
><BR>> > MMC<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On 30/07/2010,
at 1:27 PM, Kai wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> Labor to
force people to connect to broadband<BR>> >><BR>>
smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/labor-to-force-people-to-connect-to-broadband-20100730-10yi4.html<BR>>
>><BR>> >> So, if I have this correct, Conroy
says:<BR>> >><BR>> >> "The cynics, the
doomsayers, claimed we were only going to get 10<BR>> per cent or 15 per
cent [on the network]," he told ABC Radio.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> "We've already got 50 per cent signed
up."<BR>> >><BR>> >> That's 50% from three towns
in Tasmania, that's like saying "since<BR>> 50% of Leonora, Wiluna and
Laverton in WA have signed up that this is<BR>> gunna be awesome".
Considering the infrastructure, or lack thereof, in<BR>> those towns, why
wouldn't they say "yes"?!<BR>> >><BR>> >> If it
was actual figures after the whole country was rolled out and<BR>> he has
50%, that might be something to get excited about but even then,<BR>> it's
opt-out AND it's only 50%, not really a good update percentage<BR>>
considering how awesome it's supposed to be and what it will
cost.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Tasmania's getting
connected, that's great, but, who's providing<BR>> backhaul and was that
put to tender? or how was that decided? someone<BR>> wanna put me through
to Conroy's office so I can talk to him<BR>> constructively? or at least
try to? thanks<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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