[AusNOG] Why No Form Of Censorship Is A Good Thing

Fri Jul 23 19:16:56 EST 2010

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:02:46 +1000
"Sean K. Finn" <sean.finn at ozservers.com.au> wrote:

> Begin with asking perhaps why Gov't censored 90% of document relating to censoring and what they have to accomplish by stifling 'un-necessary debate', and ask them to detail why debate is deemed to be 'un-necessary'. More like Un-wanted holding-to-account-for-actions.
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Anonymous showing up outside might be much more effective*. That'd
likely get on the news, and if they made sure the press knew they were
going to be there, and what they were protesting, I think it'd more
effectively highlight these issues to the general public.

(* Just tell them to leave their Internet Hate Machine at home ;-) )

> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/technology-news/no-minister-90-of-web-snoop-document-censored-to-stop--premature-unnecessary-debate-20100722-10mxo.html?autostart=1
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> " The federal government has censored approximately 90 per cent of a secret document outlining its controversial plans to snoop on Australians' web surfing, obtained under freedom of information (FoI) laws, out of fear the document could cause "premature unnecessary debate".
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> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/web-snooping-policy-shrouded-in-secrecy-20100617-yi1u.html
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Ramsay, Paul
> Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 3:30 PM
> To: ausnog
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Why No Form Of Censorship Is A Good Thing
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> I came across this today, maybe a good place to ask a question!
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> Minister Conroy to address AIIA members on NBN/Digital Economy
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> LAST CHANCE TO REGISTER BEFORE CLOSE OF BUSINESS, FRIDAY JULY 23, 2010
> With the announcement of the election, Minister Conroy has chosen this
> forum as an opportunity to make significant comment on policies and
> strategies for the NBN/Digital Economy.  He has requested that he be
> given a longer speaking time and also requested that the media be
> invited to attend and ask him questions.  This event is not to be
> missed.  Registrations will be closing at 5.30pm sharp Friday 23 July,
> so do not hesitate.
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> http://www.aiia.com.au/event_details.aspx?ID=5cdc6c4a-ea6d-df11-b187-005
> 056b917dd
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Brad Gould
> Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 2:24 PM
> To: Kai
> Cc: ausnog
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Why No Form Of Censorship Is A Good Thing
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> Lets censor them to protest censorship?
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> Freedom of speech (something we have no actual right to in Australia, 
> but pretty much all believe in) cuts both ways.
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> To the issue at hand today, I agree its completely comical, and at its 
> heart, diabolical.  I hope the SMH appeals the decision, and I suspect 
> any independent arbitrator would have a field day with this.
> 
> Brad
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> On 23/07/2010 13:43, Kai wrote:
> > Shortly before ISP's on AusNOG voluntary decided to filter federal
> government, ACL and their associates and redirect them to a page that
> tells them to keep their grubby hands off our freedom? or are we just
> going to sit on our hands and let it happen?
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Zobel"<matthew.zobel at gmail.com>
> > To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Sent: Friday, 23 July, 2010 2:02:00 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne
> / Sydney
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Why No Form Of Censorship Is A Good Thing
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> > When exactly did this country become a police state?
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> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Scott Weeks<  surfer at mauigateway.com>
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> > This is only going to get worse. Are they actually going to listen if
> we make enough noise?
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> > Yes, it appears it's going to get worse and no they're not going to
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> > "The government has been consulting with the internet industry over
> the proposal...All parties to the consultations have been sworn to
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