[AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead - Gillard supports a the great firewall

[Stephen Carter]

All good points one should not overlook two other significant concerns:

a)      Once the government gets a little way with new legislation it becomes hard to lobby to change their new "tools" post event (the just keep adding more censorship, where does it stop). I grew up in South Africa and the censorship there was out of control the government could make the public believe anything using censorship... NOT GOOD!!!)

b)      The more government bodies push illegal activity underground the harder it is to catch the criminals.

2 cents :)



From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:30 PM
To: Andrew Oskam
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead - Gillard supports a the great firewall

Andrew,

The filter is not changing the status of any content.  What's illegal is still illegal, what's legal is still legal.  If you're doing something illegal then you goto Jail.

The issue is that the filter will demonstrate that the government is interested in an unworkable bandaid and not helping the AFP etc stop and remove Child Porn.   They just want to make it a little harder to get to.  (ie.  because it's in a filter they'll be admitting they KNOW where it is, but also admitting they've not taken the effort to remove it).

MMC

On 08/07/2010, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Oskam wrote:


The RC laws in Australia, so far as I am aware, only dictate that you cannot sell or place the product on exhibition within Australia. It's not illegal to own said material.

And this is where I am confused - There is no indication as to where exactly a person I breaking the law.

Conroy has already said that I will not be breaking the law if I bypass the filter - I can only assume that I would be breaking the law by viewing the content. But there is no real indication as to whether or not it is illegal to view.

As MMC said earlier, "Content that is illegal to view/own/transmit (eg. Child Porn)." obviously this is how things currently are - however if the filter is deeming everything as RC than I now am legally able to view/own/transmit Child Porn.

I hope I am making sense :)



Andrew Oskam

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On 8/07/10 1:07 PM, ComKal Networks wrote:

Hi Andrew,



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Let's say that I access a blacklisted website by bypassing the filter by

whatever means.



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I would expect you would face the same consequences as you

would being in posession of RC material in the form of banned

goods (such as a book), if you get caught with goods.



That is after all what its suppost to be about.



Cheers

Ian Manners

ComKal Networks Australia



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