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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All good points
one should not overlook two other significant concerns:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Once the government gets a little way
with new legislation it becomes hard to lobby to change their new “tools”
post event (the just keep adding more censorship, where does it stop). I grew
up in South Africa and the censorship there was out of control the government
could make the public believe anything using censorship... NOT GOOD!!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The more government bodies push illegal
activity underground the harder it is to catch the criminals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Oskam<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead -
Gillard supports a the great firewall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The filter is not changing the status of any content.
What's illegal is still illegal, what's legal is still legal. If
you're doing something illegal then you goto Jail.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The issue is that the filter will demonstrate that the
government is interested in an unworkable bandaid and not helping the AFP etc
stop and remove Child Porn. They just want to make it a little harder to
get to. (ie. because it's in a filter they'll be admitting they
KNOW where it is, but also admitting they've not taken the effort to remove
it).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 08/07/2010, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Oskam wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The RC laws
in Australia, so far as I am aware, only dictate that you cannot sell or place
the product on exhibition within Australia. It's not illegal to own said
material.<br>
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And this is where I am confused - There is no indication as to where exactly a
person I breaking the law.<br>
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Conroy has already said that I will not be breaking the law if I bypass the
filter - I can only assume that I would be breaking the law by viewing the
content. But there is no real indication as to whether or not it is illegal to
view.<br>
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As MMC said earlier, "Content that is illegal to view/own/transmit (eg.
Child Porn)." obviously this is how things currently are - however if the
filter is deeming everything as RC than I now am legally able to
view/own/transmit Child Porn.<br>
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I hope I am making sense :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>E <a href="mailto:percy@th3interw3bs.net">percy@th3interw3bs.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 8/07/10 1:07 PM, ComKal Networks wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre>Hi Andrew,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><snip><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Let's say that I access a blacklisted website by bypassing the filter by <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>whatever means.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote>
<pre><snip><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I would expect you would face the same consequences as you<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>would being in posession of RC material in the form of banned<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>goods (such as a book), if you get caught with goods.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>That is after all what its suppost to be about.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Cheers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ian Manners<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ComKal Networks Australia<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
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