[AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme?

[Matthew Moyle-Croft]

Skeeve,
You'll notice I very specifically said "Conservative Christian Lobby" not "all Christians".   My grandfather, a retired Uniting Church minister, would yell at me if I did.   

MMC

On 07/07/2010, at 11:54 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:

> MMC,
> 
> Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush that Family First are made from.  I am a Christian who is VERY against it, and most Christians I know are.  Problem is that Family First represent a very conservative view - but a powerful one.  I don't think they really represent the views of most thinking Christians from a political perspective... but mostly their own narrow uneducated views on topics.
> 
> ...Skeeve
> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
>> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:12 AM
>> To: Phillip Grasso
>> Cc: Skeeve Stevens; ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the
>> impending mandatatory censorship scheme?
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
>> 
>>> its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do you
>> think Conroy has it in for Google.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is there,
>> so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the industry, with a
>> possibly few big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he can say
>> things such as 'industry consultation/support' etc.
>> 
>> I think we could be super organised, with a huge media budget and the
>> Fed Govt wouldn't change their mind before the election.
>> 
>> If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it to
>> show (a) they're backing down and not delivering on YET another policy
>> (b) not tough on Child Pornography (c) not protecting our kids.  Which
>> ever of the arguments works the best for TonyA at the time.
>> 
>> This isn't a rational argument.  It's clear the Conroy isn't interested
>> in rational arguments.   The whole proposal is laughable (heck, I've
>> just come back from the US where we ARE a joke because of this - most
>> people think it's already running!), but still, the telecommunications
>> industry is a poor block of votes compared to keeping the conservative
>> Christian lobby on side (the people who want this).
>> 
>> The focus really needs to be on these things:
>> 
>> If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to implement
>> the filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it).   Or will it die
>> as a "non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as telecommunications
>> minister?
>> 
>> If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do?   Will they
>> show sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same
>> conservative Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good idea.
>> 
>> Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds
>> before the election.  The question is - will this be an election issue
>> or will we be back to beating up on the vunerable and non-voting
>> refugees again like the tough people we are.   (Must remind Christians
>> like TonyA about what Christianity is about - seem to remember a few
>> bits from the Bible from Sunday school and Jesus embracing everyone and
>> looking after the poor and destitute, not just some of them - anyway,
>> offtopic).
>> 
>> MMC
>>