[AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter

[Andrew Oskam]

I think it is. We've yet to put up a decent fight.

I agree with others on this list that we need to take a page from the 
Miners Assoc book and start making a stand.

Think about the image we can paint for the industry - we can show 
customers that we aren't just the geek behind the desk fiddling with 
gadgets.

We're the ones fighting for their rights to continue to use the internet 
privately and freely without outside intervention.

We're the ones fighting to ensure that the internet continues to expand 
and integrate even better.

We're making sure that each and every person has access to the content 
they need on the internet.

We are doing something..for them...for us...for everyone.

I think that the country relies on us. If we don't say something...who 
will? They won't - they don't have near enough understanding to make a 
decent defense.



Andrew Oskam

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On 30/06/10 6:57 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
> are you saying our industry is a toothless tiger???
>
> What about using resources available to us?
>
> Didn't Kevin07 help get elected with the 'online vote'?
>
> how about a 'facts' campaign to users, with some real information, 
> rather then crud that is being spread by Conroy.
>
> e.g.
> Real costs of censorship.  Will this mean that customers will need to 
> pay for this government imposed censorship tax?
> False sense of security, how anyone that is technically competent will 
> be able to bypass the filter (thereby wasting the tax-payers funds, 
> and further increasing the unit cost of providing internet access. 1. 
> It won't stop the bad guys 2. not really protecting the children.
> Will interfere with internet speeds,
> Could be expanded in future to limit free speech etc.
> Could be another point of failure for internet connectivity
>
> Possible methods;
> -newsletters to customer base, (no spams or scams, that come through 
> the portal please)
> -Links or facts included in bills
> -Links off home pages
> -ad-campaign? (perhaps through IIA or one of the industry bodies)
> -facebook/myspace campaign,
> -more Youtube clips like the recent kogan one,
> -A free gigs day (give free gigs if the read the facts news letter or 
> something like that).
>
> If anyone is keen on working with me to form a industry working group 
> on this, please send me a private message. (or point me to existing 
> efforts).
>
> Best Regards
>     Phill.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Sean K. Finn 
> <sean.finn at ozservers.com.au <mailto:sean.finn at ozservers.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     We don't really have a union to represent us.
>
>     If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a
>     good enough job getting the message out there.
>
>     S.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
>     [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Andrew Fort
>     Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:21 PM
>     To: Phillip Grasso
>     Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
>     Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter
>
>     On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso
>     <phillip.grasso at gmail.com <mailto:phillip.grasso at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed the
>     > filtering picture much.
>     >
>     >
>     http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commitment_filter/
>     >
>     > My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?
>
>     The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine
>     _owners_.  Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under -
>     destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed?  If no-one wants to
>     even bluff, I guess we're SOL.
>
>     -a
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