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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">I think it is. We've yet to put up
a decent fight.<br>
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I agree with others on this list that we need to take a page from the
Miners Assoc book and start making a stand.<br>
<br>
Think about the image we can paint for the industry - we can show
customers that we aren't just the geek behind the desk fiddling with
gadgets.<br>
<br>
We're the ones fighting for their rights to continue to use the
internet privately and freely without outside intervention.<br>
<br>
We're the ones fighting to ensure that the internet continues to expand
and integrate even better.<br>
<br>
We're making sure that each and every person has access to the content
they need on the internet.<br>
<br>
We are doing something..for them...for us...for everyone.<br>
<br>
I think that the country relies on us. If we don't say something...who
will? They won't - they don't have near enough understanding to make a
decent defense.<br>
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On 30/06/10 6:57 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTikUZs_ap7o_RCG97SBXj044enXj0oZLc_NPc58R@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">are you saying our industry is a toothless tiger???<br>
<br>
What about using resources available to us? <br>
<br>
Didn't Kevin07 help get elected with the 'online vote'? <br>
<br>
how about a 'facts' campaign to users, with some real information,
rather then crud that is being spread by Conroy.<br>
<br>
e.g. <br>
Real costs of censorship. Will this mean that customers will need to
pay for this government imposed censorship tax? <br>
False sense of security, how anyone that is technically competent will
be able to bypass the filter (thereby wasting the tax-payers funds, and
further increasing the unit cost of providing internet access. 1. It
won't stop the bad guys 2. not really protecting the children.<br>
Will interfere with internet speeds, <br>
Could be expanded in future to limit free speech etc. <br>
Could be another point of failure for internet connectivity<br>
<br>
Possible methods;<br>
-newsletters to customer base, (no spams or scams, that come through
the portal please)<br>
-Links or facts included in bills<br>
-Links off home pages <br>
-ad-campaign? (perhaps through IIA or one of the industry bodies)<br>
-facebook/myspace campaign, <br>
-more Youtube clips like the recent kogan one, <br>
-A free gigs day (give free gigs if the read the facts news letter or
something like that).<br>
<br>
If anyone is keen on working with me to form a industry working group
on this, please send me a private message. (or point me to existing
efforts).<br>
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Best Regards<br>
Phill.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Sean K.
Finn <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sean.finn@ozservers.com.au">sean.finn@ozservers.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">We
don't really have a union to represent us.<br>
<br>
If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a good
enough job getting the message out there.<br>
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S.<br>
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On Behalf Of Andrew Fort<br>
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To: Phillip Grasso<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter<br>
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed
the<br>
> filtering picture much.<br>
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> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commitment_filter/"
target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commitment_filter/</a><br>
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> My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?<br>
<br>
The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine<br>
_owners_. Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under -<br>
destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed? If no-one wants to<br>
even bluff, I guess we're SOL.<br>
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-a<br>
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