[AusNOG] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated

[Matthew Moyle-Croft]

[Please note: In this email I take an analogy and stretch it pretty far.  If that offends look away now]

Noel,

It's nice to keep arguing about WHEN the SS IPv4 Titanic is going sink and whether you have time for another drink before getting into the life boats, but the reality is it's still sinking.

Rather than being silly and using phrases like "talking about ripping off end users more money because they use ipv4" how about we return to some level of constructive conversation about ensuring we have the right IPv6 lifeboats are going to built?

The quicker we get the IPv6 lifeboats built, the quicker IPv4 will become a dinosaur and not relevant and not something that'll impact users so much and then they won't care about IPv4 and it's legacy.  It'll mean that the time where IPv4 space becomes costly is shorter.

IPv6 support from more vendors needs more people demanding it.  I know that our efforts have made some change from a few of our vendors so it'll be easier and quicker for the rest of you when the water is lapping at your toes.   But it'd be nice if we didn't have to haul people from the sea as they drown.

MMC



On 22/01/2010, at 8:46 AM, Noel Butler wrote:

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 12:28 +1100, James Spenceley wrote:

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> Yep, and I still stand by at _LEAST_ 2015 before we seriously get close to looking like running out of ipv4, maybe longer than that.
> There's around 400 million IP's stilll up for grabs.

and how many phones/computer will connect to the Indian and Chinese Internet in the next year ?



How many connected last year...
4 x /8's issued to APNIC
4 x /8's issued to RIPE


I'm well aware that the majority of vocal people on this list are supporters of  ipv6, I just have an investigative mind, in other words, I do think some here are hyping things up for their own agenda, just like those did back in 90's.

I mean, talking about ripping off end users more money because they use ipv4 like Skeeve brought up, pleaaseeeee, , you try to force everyone onto ipv6, then there's going to plenty of spare ipv4 in APNIC's pool isn't there, so no problem for the ISP's that wont rip them off  :)

So apart from the noise makers on this list beating their chest about it, is anyone actually in serious talks with CPE vendors,  how about retailers? find some cluey retailers and get them to push vendors as well, after all, that's where this needs to start.

As someone else mentioned, the vast majority of end users don't care, they will not sit down and google it, they will not read white papers or RFC's about it, they have no desire to learn squat about it, all they want is for the Internet to work, existing customers and in  next few years or so should easily be serviced by ipv4, it's the newbie from nearing then, the ones who go out and buy brand new CPE because its their first, or their existing one got blow to hell in a storm that needs to be targeted towards ipv6 capable CPE.


Cheers

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