[AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

Mon Jan 11 08:25:19 EST 2010

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Rob
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 17:44, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au>wrote:

> The labor party made a promise  - they don't want to back down on it, so
> they're going ahead with something stupid.
>
> Stupidity before Dishonor is the politicians creed.
>
> (Can anyone do a nice Latin version of that?  I feel a tshirt coming on).
>
> MMC
>
> On 04/01/2010, at 4:16 PM, Matt Shadbolt wrote:
>
> The most frustrating part of all this mess is the government plainly not
> listening to the people who know what they're talking about.
>
> Surely one of Mr.Conroys minions has sat him down and shown him how easy it
> is to circumvent? Surely one has sat him down and shown him how hard it is
> for average users to find RC content?
>
> The government haven't addressed any of the public's privacy or
> transparency concerns, let alone the simple fact their solution just won't
> work.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Brad Gould <bradley at internode.com.au>wrote:
>
>> Who stumbles on Child Porn, bomb making or euthanasia instructions or
>> anything potentially "RC" anyway?
>>
>> The only people that find it are the ones looking for it, who are the
>> same people that will google "filter circumvention" if they cant find
>> what they are looking for..
>>
>> Those people certainly arent going to report it when they find it.  So
>> it wont make it on the blacklist in any event.
>>
>> What "concerned parents" will still find is that they will visit some
>> dodgey website following a url in some email spam, and get a zillion
>> pop-ups advertising porn. Oh noes! Or type in ten.com instead of
>> ten.com.au
>>
>> Those popups/websites will be the continued subject of complaints, then
>> "something must be done" and the next round of filtering policy can
>> begin.  Made easier of course with the infrastructure thats installed as
>> mandated by the current round of (proposed) filtering.
>>
>> This isnt policy.  Calling it evidence based or led policy doesnt
>> magically make it so.  Its pandering, of the worst sort, to the
>> religious right.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>> > I don’t really get the entire filtering argument or why it is mandated
>> > at all.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If I was the government, I would basically offer $$$ (or a tax break, or
>> > something) to ISPs who chose to join a filtering programme or offered
>> > products based on some sort of filtering standard.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The whole mandatory filtering of all ISP’s is kind of bizarre and
>> > extreme really and completely pointless.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If users are really screaming for this, surely they would just go and
>> > connect to an ISP who is offering the filtering solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If there were really a massive demand for this, wouldn’t someone have
>> > developed their own product by now and selling tons of it?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Or.. is this just the government not trusting people to be adults and
>> > responsible – and assuming that there are paedophiles everywhere.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...Skeeve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
>> >
>> > eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
>> >
>> > skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
>> >
>> > Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
>> >
>> > Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
>> >
>> > www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > NOC, NOC, who's there?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> > [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Shane Short
>> > *Sent:* Monday, 4 January 2010 3:50 PM
>> > *To:* Matthew Moyle-Croft
>> > *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Pinkerton, Eric
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I wouldn't mind so much if they either a) mandated ISPs had to 'offer'
>> > some kind of filtering, or b) offered some kind of hosted solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > OR find some CPE manufacturer that'll ship them 'clean modems', with the
>> > filtering built in. (does this exist yet)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Shane
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/01/2010, at 12:35 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/01/2010, at 2:34 PM, Pinkerton, Eric wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >     Preventing incoming DNS requests from outside your network could
>> >     make sence, but stopping your internal users querying any external
>> >     dns servers seems obtuse, perhaps I am missing something?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     I was under the impression that the solution proposed combined a DNS
>> >     and proxy.  The DNS blocks or diverts banned domain requests to say
>> >     an ad for counciling or whatever without impediment to other
>> >     traffic, but requests for a page on a domain(or server) that also
>> >     carries banned pages are diverted through a proxy server with a
>> >     blacklist.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Take for example Google or OpenDNS's resolver service.   If customers
>> > can query those then how are they going to be directed to a proxy?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ditto for a VPN, things like Tor etc.    Wet tissue paper has a higher
>> > security rating - especially if people are going to be avoiding it by
>> > accident!  Hilarious.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This isn't about protecting kids or stopping people looking at illegal
>> > content.  This is about the government saving face and giving a sop to
>> > the religious right.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If the government wanted to do something useful they'd fund more child
>> > protection officers and police to hunt pedophiles etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MMC
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthew Moyle-Croft
>> >
>> > Peering Manager and Team Lead - Commercial and DSLAMs
>> >
>> > Internode /Agile
>> >
>> >
>> >
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