[AusNOG] iiNet update

[Dominic Driver]

Now you're talking Darren! ;)

 

I do enjoy these little debates, and well said: 'he majority of public
internet users would be open to some form of user pays system' - look at
iTunes!!

 

Common sense all round.

 

 > Dominic <

NHR Singapore

 

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Darren Moss
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:55 PM
To: Michael Richardson
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] iiNet update

 

Do you think AFACT understand what layer 3 is.

 

Next they will filing against Cisco for providing the infrastructure to
allow copyright infringement.

 

 

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: 2010-02-04 4:15 pm
To: Nicholas Meredith
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] iiNet update

I think at the very least the Judge is acutely aware that the Internet
and Bittorrent are different things. You use the Internet to get
Bittorrent, you can't use Bittorrent to get the Internet.  

 

Well worded law creates effective understanding and interpretation. They
could go and say "iiNet provided IP transit services at Layer 3, but was
not responsible for the Layer 4 protocols that their users chose to
utilise for the illegal proliferation of copyrighted material". Sure, it
might be more accurate, but it's far from being a useful. Would you
prefer that a judge ruling on a shooting refer to it as "an act of
penetrating the victims torso with a small calibre round of ammunition
that was shot through the air after being propelled out of a gun that
was held by the defendant"?

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Nicholas Meredith
<nicholas at udhaonline.net> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Bevan Slattery
<Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:

"copyright occured as result of use of BitTorrent, not the Internet"
said Justice Cowdroy

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I couldn't be happier for the sane ruling on this case, but this begs
the question, does this Judge have ANY idea at all what the Internet is?
I'm referring to the context of a home user who sees the World Wide Web
as the 'Internet' and E-Mail and everything else as just E-Mail etc. The
statement above shows a lack of comprehension that all services are 'the
Internet.'

Or are they breaking it down into OSI Layer2/3, where the Internet is
defined as IP connectivity, and not the application protocols that
reside above?

- Nicholas Meredith


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