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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Now
you’re talking Darren! ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I
do enjoy these little debates, and well said: ‘</span><span
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majority of public internet users would be open to some form of user pays
system</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>’
– look at iTunes!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Common
sense all round.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> > <b>Dominic</b> <<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Darren Moss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Richardson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] iiNet update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Do you think AFACT understand what layer 3 is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Next they will filing against Cisco for providing the
infrastructure to allow copyright infringement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Regards, <br>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Richardson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2010-02-04 4:15 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Meredith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] iiNet update</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I think at the very least the Judge is acutely aware that
the Internet and Bittorrent are different things. You use the Internet to get
Bittorrent, you can't use Bittorrent to get the Internet. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Well worded law creates effective understanding and
interpretation. They could go and say "iiNet provided IP transit services
at Layer 3, but was not responsible for the Layer 4 protocols that their users
chose to utilise for the illegal proliferation of copyrighted material".
Sure, it might be more accurate, but it's far from being a useful. Would you
prefer that a judge ruling on a shooting refer to it as "an act of
penetrating the victims torso with a small calibre round of ammunition that was
shot through the air after being propelled out of a gun that was held by the
defendant"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Nicholas Meredith <<a
href="mailto:nicholas@udhaonline.net">nicholas@udhaonline.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Bevan Slattery <<a
href="mailto:Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com" target="_blank">Bevan.Slattery@staff.pipenetworks.com</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal>"copyright occured as result of use of BitTorrent, not
the Internet"<br>
said Justice Cowdroy<o:p></o:p></p>
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I couldn't be happier for the sane ruling on this case, but this begs the
question, does this Judge have ANY idea at all what the Internet is? I'm
referring to the context of a home user who sees the World Wide Web as the
'Internet' and E-Mail and everything else as just E-Mail etc. The statement
above shows a lack of comprehension that all services are 'the Internet.'<br>
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Or are they breaking it down into OSI Layer2/3, where the Internet is defined
as IP connectivity, and not the application protocols that reside above?<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all>
- Nicholas Meredith<br>
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