[AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]

[Stephen Carter]

Hi PRK?

My reaction was to a political email telling people how to vote on a technical forum!!!

But you have some other questions that I have responded to below in green.

Kindest Regards


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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]


On 11 August 2010 05:41, Stephen Carter <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com<mailto:Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com>> wrote:

Governments (anywhere) should not be creating commercial monopolies like the NBN. We don't need to be in the bad "Telstra" situation in a few years time again, only real competition can prevent that.

However, there's a question as to whether having multiple infrastructure builds is the best way to foster competition. I agree, but that is what the NBN going to be doing to a significant amount of population density!! (okay so that are buying votes now with a crazy "roll-in") but when they get to higher density areas the NBN will be doing just that! And they will have the Gov making legislation behind them if they need it to fix issues as they go. How is that encouraging completion?

Personally, I favour a commercial company (ala NBN Co) running the physical infrastructure in solely a wholesale manner. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a ??? The commercial nature um, not sure how a gov puppet is really commercial!!! (as opposed to Govt run) would promote their flexibility and desire to drive new products why would they need to be flexible or drive new products they will be a monopoly?, and the wholesale only nature provides the grounds for a number of competitors to compete on an even footing. How can this be when the gov is prepared to give them special access capabilities etc that other Carriers do not get... see Bevan's email a few weeks back!!.

In the absence of that as an option, the Greens perspective (maintaining the infrastructure as government run & owned) is satisfactory, although it may decrease the incentive for NBN Co to react quickly to future changes in the landscape. See Tim's emails this morning, if you can't afford it you should not have it (in broad terms...a gross exaggeration really... but this comes back to the 100Mbps internet access is a basic human right some on this list have ?), plus why do you need the Rolls Royce when those that must pay would be happier with the cheaper car?

Obviously there's legilsative framework that needs to go in place to ensure an even footing for multiple competitors, and to stop NBN Co undercutting / providing direct retail services, but it's not insurmountable. That is already underway, but unfortunately does not stop the monopoly scenario
You have expressed a common view with many other citizens, being that fast internet will save money, allow you to work fast from one site etc... but you overlook the real consequences including: wholesale off shoring and large foreign cashed up businesses destroying the Australian ISP and CSP landscape. These are the real threats of superfast

Can you elaborate a little more on this? Why get services in AU when it is much cheaper to get it overseas (off shoring), AU services are expensive by world standards...

In an NBN world, the last mile is fibre - you still have (and need if NBN Co is wholesale only) ISPs & CSPs.

What are you envisioning which would destroy the Australian ISP & CSP landscape? Very large overseas CSP's that have huge cheque books, speaks for itself.
internet, and may rather result in lower incomes and greater unemployment (opposite to your one business view). And by the way I am a very strong supporter in super fast internet, just not the way any political party intends to impose it on the nation.

Do tell - how would you prefer it implemented? I never said I had the answers, but have many ideas that will become clearer over time, but my point was that the three main ideas on the current political landscape (Labour, Liberal and Greens) all need a lot more work... but the government has already started digging trenches without really consulting or considering all the options.

See Tim's point about: (a) talk to the people that sign the front of cheques and or (b) will have to pay a true value for the services. Not politicians buying votes that don't really understand the technology that they are spending all our children's money on.

prk.

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