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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi PRK?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My reaction was to a political email telling people how to vote
on a technical forum!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But you have some other questions that I have responded to below
in green.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kindest Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>PRK<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 August 2010 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 11 August 2010 05:41, Stephen Carter <<a
href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Governments (anywhere) should not be creating commercial
monopolies like the NBN. We don’t need to be in the bad
“Telstra” situation in a few years time again, only real
competition can prevent that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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However, there's a question as to whether having multiple infrastructure builds
is the best way to foster competition<span style='color:#76923C'>. I agree, but
that is what the NBN going to be doing to a significant amount of population density!!
(okay so that are buying votes now with a crazy “roll-in”) but when
they get to higher density areas the NBN will be doing just that! And they will
have the Gov making legislation behind them if they need it to fix issues as
they go. How is that encouraging completion?<br>
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Personally, I favour a commercial company (ala NBN Co) running the physical
infrastructure in solely a wholesale manner. <span style='color:#76923C'>A wolf
in sheep’s clothing is still a ???</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>The
commercial nature <span style='color:#76923C'>um, not sure how a gov puppet is really
commercial!!!</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>(as opposed to Govt
run) would promote their flexibility and desire to drive new products<span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#76923C'>why would they need
to be flexible or drive new products they will be a monopoly?,</span> and the
wholesale only nature provides the grounds for a number of competitors to
compete on an even footing.<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='color:#76923C'>How can this be when the gov is prepared to give them special
access capabilities etc that other Carriers do not get... see Bevan’s
email a few weeks back!!.</span><br>
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In the absence of that as an option, the Greens perspective (maintaining the
infrastructure as government run & owned) is satisfactory, although it may
decrease the incentive for NBN Co to react quickly to future changes in the
landscape<span style='color:#76923C'>. See Tim’s emails this morning, if
you can’t afford it you should not have it (in broad terms...a gross exaggeration
really... but this comes back to the 100Mbps internet access is a basic human
right some on this list have ?), plus why do you need the Rolls Royce when
those that must pay would be happier with the cheaper car?<br>
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Obviously there's legilsative framework that needs to go in place to ensure an
even footing for multiple competitors, and to stop NBN Co undercutting /
providing direct retail services, but it's not insurmountable.<span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#76923C'>That is already
underway, but unfortunately does not stop the monopoly scenario<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You have expressed a common view
with many other citizens, being that fast internet will save money, allow you
to work fast from one site etc... but you overlook the real consequences
including: wholesale off shoring and large foreign cashed up businesses
destroying the Australian ISP and CSP landscape. These are the real threats of
superfast </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Can you elaborate a little more on this?<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='color:#76923C'>Why get services in AU when it is much cheaper to get it
overseas (off shoring), AU services are expensive by world standards...<br>
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In an NBN world, the last mile is fibre - you still have (and need if NBN Co is
wholesale only) ISPs & CSPs.<br>
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What are you envisioning which would destroy the Australian ISP & CSP
landscape?<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#76923C'>Very large
overseas CSP’s that have huge cheque books, speaks for itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>internet, and may rather result
in lower incomes and greater unemployment (opposite to your one business view).
And by the way I am a very strong supporter in super fast internet, just not
the way any political party intends to impose it on the nation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Do tell - how would you prefer it implemented<span style='color:#76923C'>? I never
said I had the answers, but have many ideas that will become clearer over time,
but my point was that the three main ideas on the current political landscape
(Labour, Liberal and Greens) all need a lot more work... but the government has
already started digging trenches without really consulting or considering all
the options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#76923C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#76923C'>See Tim’s point about: (a)
talk to the people that sign the front of cheques and or (b) will have to pay a
true value for the services. Not politicians buying votes that don’t
really understand the technology that they are spending all our children’s
money on.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>prk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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