[AusNOG] [ISOC-AU-mems] [LINK] Happy Birthday ... AARNet

[Ian Peter]

Sorry to prolong the history discussion but this is relevant to our
understanding

Geoff wrote

> AARNet started out as a multi-proto network - Pete Elford and I set up
> DECnet, X.25 and IP in the first instance.
>


Geoff then do you remember when AARNET became a single protocol IP network?
For those propagating the big I small i interpretation of internet history
in Australia (where only fully TCP/IP networks = internet) the relevant date
would be when you became a TCP/IP network?




Ian Peter
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Huston [mailto:gih at apnic.net]
> Sent: 17 March 2009 17:43
> To: Narelle
> Cc: Mark Prior; ISOC-AU Members Discussion List; AusNOG; link at anu.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [ISOC-AU-mems] [AusNOG] [LINK] Happy Birthday ... AARNet
> 
> 
> On 17/03/2009, at 2:45 PM, Narelle wrote:
> 
> > I think some of you guys are confusing ACSNet, CSIRONet and AARNet.
> 
> nope - bits of my memory might be fading, but not that :-)
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Big difference is uucp vs IP.
> 
> um - no!
> 
> ACSNET was its own protocol - it was loosely derived from the UUCP
> work but the key differentiator was the addition of virtual channels
> into the wire.
> 
> CSIRONET was an X.25 network that was ostensibly an access network
> using the X.25 PAD protocols to gain access to thge CSIRO time shares
> hosts. There were CSIRONET access nodes (PDP-11's running the X.25
> software with leased line connections) on a number of the large
> campuses. CSIRO used to charge for access to their mainframe systems,
> but did not charge for the network component. So it was possible at
> the time to make edge-to-edge connections across CSIRONET without
> incurring a bill
> 
> AARNet started out as a multi-proto network - Pete Elford and I set up
> DECnet, X.25 and IP in the first instance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > WIth AARNet in 89 we set out IP addressing plans and built network.
> 
> well we had 3 addressplans underway
> 
> >
> > In ACSNet and CSIRONet things were nailed together via serial links
> > and uucp.
> 
> well, everything uses "serial links" of one sort or another.
> 
> > I have a paper here on CSIRONet dating back to 71. Data was
> > certainly transferred, and messages sent, even chat and email on
> > ACSNet, but it was not IP.
> 
> ACSnet was never a real time system - email, yes by the truckload,
> usenet news and various forms of ftp-via-email relays.
> 
> 
> CSIRONet was an early X.25 system. Telstra came out with their Austpac
> product some years later.
> 
> >
> > IP networks, when done in _public_ equals Internet... AARNet was first
> > here in Australia...
> >
> 
> 
> That's certainly my recollection as well.
> 
> > But yeah - munnari spanned both, didn't it?
> 
> 
> munnari was Robert Elz's host. It was multi-lingual in that it spanned
> ACSnet, the UUCP network and had a 'master' sendmail.cf config file
> that was managed with awesome excellence! It acted as a major relay
> hub for many years in the 80's and early 90's/
> 
> enough of this old fart stuff - back to work!
> 
> ;-)
> 
>    Geoff
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Narelle
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net> wrote:
> >> Geoff Huston wrote:
> >>
> >>> late 80's a number of places started doing inter-capital leased
> >>> lines
> >>> (Sydney to Melbourne first, then in 1989 Adelaide to Melbourne and
> >>> Canberra to Melbourne). The first of these leased lines was 9.6k
> >>> (syd
> >>> - melb) and the later ones ran at 48K (which were nailed up 64K
> >>> digital voice carriers from the telco fabric with 2 bits per frame
> >>> ripped out by encoding, clocking and CPE O&M for the DDS service).
> >>
> >> Telstra delivered the ADL/MEL circuit the week after the
> >> Networkshop in
> >> Adelaide. I remember kre sitting in our computing lab at Adelaide Uni
> >> using the 9600/4800/9600 baud links via CSIRO to get back to
> >> munnari :-)
> >> Where is kre?
> >>
> >> Mark.
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Narelle
> > narellec at gmail.com
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