[AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

[Bevan Slattery]

I'm not 100% sure what Google actually host here, but yes they have
servers established in Australia distributing content (and have for some
time).  CDN's can pose a rather large problem.  Perhaps the government
should establish their own Google-DNS type system to block...  I better
stop with that joke just in case some muppet thinks it might be a good
idea...

Cheers

[b] 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nick Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 12:46 PM
> To: Skeeve Stevens
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net; Bevan Slattery
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
> 
> Heh, Interesting. I wonder how many CDN's have cached 
> something in Australia that originated from the states that 
> is actually RC here?
> 
> 
> On 16/12/2009, at 1:43 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> 
> > Very good point.
> >
> > But, Google is on peering, and those servers aren't in .au 
> are they?  
> > (or possibly not)..
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> > --
> > Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The 
> > Networking Specialists skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> > Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 
> 753 383 / 
> > skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego
> > --
> > NOC, NOC, who's there?
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> >> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 1:18 PM
> >> To: Skeeve Stevens; Nick Brown; ausnog at ausnog.net
> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
> >>
> >> It's illegal to host RC content in Australia.  So 
> (domestic) peering
> >> should be clean anyway.
> >>
> >> [b]
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> >>> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of 
> Skeeve Stevens
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:06 AM
> >>> To: Nick Brown; ausnog at ausnog.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
> >>>
> >>> It is interesting.  If the carriers have to do it... maybe
> >>> the downstreams don't, saving a lot of money.
> >>>
> >>> But, then we need to consider peering... argghhhh *head in sand*
> >>>
> >>> ...Skeeve
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> >>> eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
> >>> skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> >>> Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414
> >>> 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ;
> >>> facebook.com/eintellego
> >>> --
> >>> NOC, NOC, who's there?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> >>>> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nick Brown
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:56 AM
> >>>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been trying to get an answer on this for months and
> >>> every time I
> >>>> ask heads go into the sand..
> >>>>
> >>>> While I don't anticipate a backlash from RESDSL 
> customers (VISPs or
> >>>> direct retail) or even BUSDSL customers (Where the service is
> >>>> specifically *not* being used as backhaul - don't forget 
> their are
> >>>> alot of regional ISPs that have their Wireless, Dial or even DSL
> >>>> customers hanging of low end SHDSL services) I envision 
> that if we
> >>>> were to tell transit customers that they can expect their
> >>> packets to
> >>>> be messed with, knives would be thrown - and I wouldn't
> >>> blame them for
> >>>> doing so.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nick.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16/12/2009, at 11:36 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Question,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know the finer points of this proposal...
> >>> meaning... is
> >>>>> it aimed/directed at consumer/retail ISP's - which seems
> >>> to be their
> >>>>> justification - or to all ISP's who sell connectivity..
> >>> and what is
> >>>>> the flow down effect?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I.e.  Does Vocus have to do this? Does Telstra Direct?
> >>> If I have an
> >>>>> ISP we manage who has say both of those as transit 
> providers, who
> >>>>> are (?) filtered, do we then have to worry as the
> >>> upstreams are?  It
> >>>>> would be kind of redundant?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, let's ponder that companies like Vocus, MCI, etc who
> >>> only sell
> >>>>> transit to businesses... or a business focused ISP - do
> >>> they have to
> >>>>> filter?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have some Micro sized ISP's - like PowerTel partners
> >>> and alike...
> >>>>> do they have to filter?  They only have a few hundred 
> connections
> >>>>> and only to businesses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just pondering eintellego's response, but don't actually see
> >>>>> anything that differentiates what an ISP is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The
> >>>>> Networking Specialists skeeve at eintellego.net / 
> www.eintellego.net
> >>>>> Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61
> >>> (0)414 753 383 /
> >>>>> skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ;
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