[AusNOG] Small Pipe BNE/Agile issue

[David J. Hughes]

Hi

Personally, I feel that increasing the impact your AS has on my  
routing table in an attempt to subvert my routing policy and force me  
to send my traffic in a way you want to dictate is anti-social.   
Naturally you want me to send traffic to you via peering rather than  
transit but at the end of the day that's not your decision to make.   
I'm sending the traffic and I'll apply my policy.  Of course I want to  
use the peering path as well and I'll local-pref according to my  
policy - not your policy.

If someone is advertising a /20 in the public table and then tries to  
shove 32 /25's at me just because we are at an MLPA IX then I will  
call them anti-social :)  It'll probably cost them money too when I  
drop those routes and send our content back to them via their transit  
provider.

As for there being no written rules, you are spot on. However, nobody  
has ever received a portable allocation that's smaller than a /24 so  
why would I expect to see such an announcement at their AS boundary?   
I really don't want to see the contents of their IGP.



David
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On 14/06/2008, at 11:57 PM, James Spenceley wrote:

> I don't see it as anti-social, it's not effecting anyone globally  
> and is generally getting traffic on better / more direct paths.  
> Where is the problem ?
>
> As for de-aggregating past a /24, I've never seen a written rule  
> that a /24 is ok to distribute and a /25 isn't, globally nothing  
> works past a /24, that's generally accepted but peering is a bi- 
> lateral relationship (even with an MLPA). If using /25 or greater  
> has a required effect there is no reason not to use it but likewise  
> no requirement to accept it.
>
> --
> James
>
>
> On 14/06/2008, at 10:35 PM, David J. Hughes wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey MMC,
>>
>>> PIPE allow people to advertise longer than /24s.
>>
>> Ok, I wasn't aware of that as we don't accept them.  Call us fussy,
>> but we also don't accept default from an IX :-).
>>
>> May I suggest to any PIPE or Equinix peering participants that expect
>> WebCentral / MelbourneIT content to be delivered via the IX that they
>> do not deaggregate past a /24 for TE purposes.  Guys, if the same
>> prefix is visible via peering or transit you'd be on the mark if you
>> expect us to use a peering connection wherever possible.  That's our
>> decision and that's what local-pref is for.  Gross deaggregation by
>> the origin AS is not a reliable solution and is anti-social behviour.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
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